bugtraq - Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF

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Message-ID: <43BDB59F.9050608@linuxbox.org>
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 02:11:11 +0200
From: Gadi Evron <ge@...uxbox.org>
To: "Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP]" <sbradcpa@...bell.net>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,
	bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF


Susan Bradley, CPA aka Ebitz - SBS Rocks [MVP] wrote:
> Don't release a beta patch ....
> 
> 1. it would get patches into reverse engineering faster [hello look what 
> happened to the leaked patch]
> 
> and 2.
> 
> Don't ask for an untested patch if you are not willing to be there in 
> the newsgroups, communities and listserves helping the dead bodies after 
> a bad patch sir.
> 
> Do you do/handle change management in your firm?  Even in my small firm 
> I could not handle the 'any time/any day' that patches used to come out 
> before.
> 
> Be careful of what you ask for sir...because if you get what you 
> want.... ensure your firm has the resources to test/deploy/change 
> management on a 24 hours a day 7 days a week schedule because exploits 
> can be built in less than 20 minutes.
> 
> If the security issue has been responsible disclosed, there is a process 
> that is needed to build a patch and test the patch.  Some issues take 
> more than 'days' sir.  And testing takes time as well, sir.
> 
> For my community I want tested patches sir, and I will argue until 
> doomsday on that point.  Don't hurt my community with a bad patch or a 
> beta patch, sir.

I quite agree, I disagree on the amount of time it currently takes for 
any vendor to release patches. Apparently we "Got used" to slowness, 
false positives and many other ills. Maybe it's time that changed?

	Gadi.
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