bugtraq - Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF

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Message-ID: <43BE7D38.7030507@uksolutions.co.uk>
Date: Fri, 06 Jan 2006 14:22:48 +0000
From: Gavin Conway <gavin@...olutions.co.uk>
Cc: "full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk" <full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk>,
	bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: what we REALLY learned from WMF


Gadi Evron wrote:
> What we really learn from this all WMF "thingie", is that when Microsoft 
> wants to, it can.
> 
> Microsoft released the WMF patch ahead of schedule
> ( http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/181 )
> 
> Yep, THEY released the PATCH ahead of schedule.
> 
> What does that teach us?
> 
> There are a few options:
> 1. When Microsoft wants to, it can.
> 
> There was obviously pressure with this 0day, still — most damage out 
> there from vulnerabilities is done AFTER Microsoft releases the patch 
> and the vulnerability becomes public.
> 
> 2. Microsoft decided to jump through a few QA tests this time, and 
> release a patch.
> 
> Why should they be releasing BETA patches?
> If they do, maybe they should release BETA patches more often, let those 
> who want to - use them. It can probably also shorten the testing period 
> considerably.
> If this patch is not BETA, but things did just /happen/ to progress more 
> swiftly.. than maybe we should re-visit option #1 above.
> 
> ...
> 
> Maybe it’s just that we are used to sluggishness. Perhaps it is time we, 
> as users and clients, started DEMANDING of Microsoft to push things up a 
> notch.
> 
> ...
> 
> Put in the necessary resources, and release patches within days of first 
> discovery. I’m willing to live with weeks and months in comparison to 
> the year+ that we have seen sometimes. Naturally some problems take 
> longer to fix, but you get my drift.
> 
> It’s just like with false positives… as an industry we are now used to 
> them. We don’t treat them as bugs, we treat them as an “acceptable level 
> of”, as I heard Aviram mention a few times.
> 
> ...
> 
> The rest is in my blog entry on the subject:
> http://blogs.securiteam.com/index.php/archives/182
> 
>     Gadi.

Although I agree with a lot of what you have said I do feel that this is 
a rather shameless way to start what is undoubtedly to become a 
'flame-war' and to pimp your own website. Please try to keep bugtraq on 
target by posting bug related items.

Kind Regards,

Gavin COnway


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