bugtraq - Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoS problem

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.58.0603011926340.23477@localhost>
Date: Wed, 1 Mar 2006 19:34:09 -0500 (EST)
From: v9 <v9@...ehalo.us>
To: Gadi Evron <ge@...uxbox.org>
Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoS problem


Here are some dns servers I gathered/scanned during the time I researched
this months ago(that appear to still be up):

68.1.199.151
68.1.196.116
68.1.195.161
68.1.193.177

Just remember when you test/capture packets that the domain being
resolved must NOT exist(ie. "x").

On Thu, 2 Mar 2006, Gadi Evron wrote:

> v9@...ehalo.us wrote:
> > While you're on the subject of the potentials of DOSing using DNS servers, I noticed several months ago some possible abuses myself, although I soon lost interest for some reason or another.
> >
> > I noticed that a portion of the worlds DNS servers for some reason or another send back large amounts of duplicate replies if, and only if, the domain being resolved does not exist.
> >
> > The amount of duplicates seems to range between 2 and 24(in steps of 2, 4, 8, 12, 16, 20 and 24), where each reply packet is roughly 2.5x(including IP header) larger than the original request(because of the SOA).  So, for example one request to a DNS server that sends 24 dups back would roughly equal 60x(24*2.5) amplification of data.
>
> This is very interesting. I don't have any idea why that is happeniong
> (yet). Can you share packet captures?
>