bugtraq - Re: Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing DDoSproblem

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Message-ID: <97F52E9B413F590D9A7BEA63@E3993D2B0BE66833664712A4>
Date: Mon, 13 Mar 2006 23:54:45 +0100
From: Måns Nilsson <mansaxel@...et.se>
To: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Cc: Security Lists <securitylists@...ontown.com>
Subject: Re: Re: recursive DNS servers DDoS as a growing
	DDoSproblem

--On den 8 mars 2006 14.58.20 -0500 gboyce <gboyce@...belly.com> wrote:

> On Wed, 8 Mar 2006, Security Lists wrote:
> 
>> Sorry, I don't see this as amplification in your example, because YOUR
>> dns  servers are 100% of the traffic.  1:1 ratio.
> 
> Once the first request to the nameservers is made, the object should be
> cached by the nameservers.  Instead of one packet to each server,
> consider a stream of packets to each server.  The recipient will recieve
> a stream of 100K answers with likely only 200K of traffic back to the
> attackers DNS server.

Now, the proper way to exploit this is to craft a record in a zone you
control, that is some 4 kibibytes large, and have the spoofed query use
EDNS0 (RFC2671) and advertise a willingness to receive such a large
message. Much better payback. 

This is not anything artificial, it is based on actual attacks. Go and
restrict your recursing name servers to answering queries from your own
networks -- we are now, and this makes me sad, at a point where SMTP was
1994-5, open relays were at times regarded as a good utility. No such thing
today, and I think DNS will take the same route. 

Do this limitation soon, but with care and afterthought, so as not to
create a walled garden. What we do not want is packet filters as a panic
measure. We want the end nodes to be sturdy in themselves. Like other
spoofing attack countermeasures, this is a measure that will protect your
neighbours more than yourselves, so do it for the good of others. 

-- 
Måns Nilsson                    Systems Specialist
+46 70 681 7204   cell                      KTHNOC
+46 8 790 6518  office                 MN1334-RIPE

Hello.  I know the divorce rate among unmarried Catholic Alaskan
females!!

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