bugtraq - Re: Re: SendGate: Sendmail Multiple Vulnerabilities (Race Condition DoS, Memory Jumps, Integer Overflow)

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Message-ID: <4b7129bd0603232009q8c85315h5199a5f183ee0363@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2006 23:09:34 -0500
From: purplebag <purplebag@...il.com>
To: "Theo de Raadt" <deraadt@....openbsd.org>
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.grok.org.uk, bugtraq@...urityfocus.com,
	Gadi Evron <ge@...uxbox.org>
Subject: Re: Re: SendGate: Sendmail Multiple Vulnerabilities
	(Race Condition DoS, Memory Jumps, Integer Overflow)


On 3/23/06, Theo de Raadt <deraadt@....openbsd.org> wrote:
> > Sendmail is, as we know, the most used daemon for SMTP in the world. This
> > is an International Infrastructure vulnerability and should have been
> > treated that way. It wasn't. It was handled not only poorly, but
> > irresponsibly.
>
> You would probably expect me to the be last person to say that Sendmail
> is perfectly within their rights.  I have had a lot of problems with
> what they are doing.

I think people expect you to be as you are.

>
> But what did you pay for Sendmail?  Was it a dollar, or was it more?  Let
> me guess.  It was much less than a dollar.  I bet you paid nothing.
>
> So does anyone owe you anything, let alone a particular process which
> you demand with such length?
>
> Now, the same holds true with OpenSSH.  I'll tell you what.  If there
> is ever a security problem (again :) in OpenSSH we will disclose it
> exactly like we want, and in no other way, and quite frankly since
> noone has ever paid a cent for it's development they have nothing they
> can say about it.
>
> Dear non-paying user -- please remember your place.

I seem to recall that DARPA funded a good bit of your work. I also
seem to recall that I and many others funded DARPA. Kindly submit to
the will of us all.

>
> Or run something else.
>
> OK?

Or simply cut off funding. The game can be played both ways.

>
> Luckily within a few months you will be able to tell Sendmail how
> to disclose their bugs because their next version is going to come
> out with a much more commercial licence.  Then you can pay for it,
> and then you can complain too.
>
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