bugtraq - Re: when will AV vendors fix this???

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Message-Id: <1039832081@web.de>
Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 20:21:31 +0200
From: Andreas Marx <gega-it@....de>
To: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com, Bipin Gautam <gautam.bipin@...il.com>
Subject: Re: when will AV vendors fix this???

At 22:35 07.08.2006, Paul Schmehl wrote:

[...]
> This is similar to the problem of alternative data streams. Essentially, the work needed to solve this problem isn't worth the expenditure of time and effort, because the file, in order to infect the system, has to be executed.  Once the file is executed "normal" on-access scanning will catch the exploit *if* it is known.  (If it's unknown, it doesn't matter anyway.)  Yes, on-demand scanning won't "see" the file, but even malicious files are benign until they are run.
[...]

No, that's not the case. On-Access scanner *might* be able to catch the malware (if it's a known variant), but it could be that the scanner is missing the file, depending on it's implementation. The same applies to the On-Demand scanner: it might or might not detect it, even if the *known* malware can still run on a system, as many tricks exists to get the file executed. Here are two articles showing this with ADS, including some test results:

Dangers from the Twilight Zone | Alternate Data Streams can still be hiding places for malware
Microsoft's NTFS file system supports Alternate Data Streams to store additional information about a file. Malware can lurk in such streams. Nonetheless, a year and a half after the first ADS test of 18 virus scanners still not all of them reliably detect malware in ADS. [...]
<http://www.heise-security.co.uk/articles/74892>

Gefahr aus der Schattenwelt, Teil 2 | Alternate Data Streams als Versteck für Schädlinge
Microsofts NTFS-Dateisystem unterstützt Alternate Data Streams, um zusätzliche Informationen zu einer Datei zu speichern. Auch Schädlinge können sich in solchen Streams verstecken. Anderthalb Jahre nach dem ersten ADS-Test von 18 Virenscannern erkennen aber immer noch nicht alle Produkte Malware in ADS zuverlässig.
<http://www.heise.de/security/artikel/74641>

cheers,
Andreas Marx
CEO, AV-Test.org

<http://www.av-test.org>

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