bugtraq - Re: Sony: The Return Of The Rootkit

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Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2007 11:16:22 -0500
From: "John Hammond" <josephhammond@...mail.com>
To: psz@...erved.de, jason@....org
Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: Sony: The Return Of The Rootkit

There are many other options outside of the sony key without the rootkit 
problem. One of the best devices that I have read about is from stealth. 
While I have yet to personally evaluate this product as I understand it 
there is no software outside of the standard USB driver needed to recognize 
and use a standard usb key outside of the initial device programming or a 
lockout state.

http://www.gcn.com/print/26_14/44484-1.html





>From: Paul Sebastian Ziegler <psz@...erved.de>
>To: Jason Brooke <jason@....org>
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>Subject: Re: Sony: The Return Of The Rootkit
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> > Also, the article by f-secure that you're having a go at,
>
>I'll have to protest here - I never hit at the original article. As you
>can read in the blog entry (this is also why I posted the link) I think
>that they have done everything alright.
>
> > says "This USB
> > stick with rootkit-like behavior" and openly acknowledges that the
> > purpose of hiding files by the device is probably to try and prevent
> > tampering with the fingerprint authentication.
>
>Which is why I agree with them.
>
> > Their main point is that:
> >
> > "The Sony MicroVault USM-F fingerprint reader software that comes with
> > the USB stick installs a driver that is hiding a directory under
> > "c:\windows\". So, when enumerating files and subdirectories in the
> > Windows directory, the directory and files inside it are not visible
> > through Windows API. If you know the name of the directory, it is e.g.
> > possible to enter the hidden directory using Command Prompt and it is
> > possible to create new hidden files. There are also ways to run files
> > from this directory. Files in this directory are also hidden from some
> > antivirus scanners (as with the Sony BMG DRM case) — depending on the
> > techniques employed by the antivirus software. It is therefore
> > technically possible for malware to use the hidden directory as a hiding
> > place."
>
>That is correct. It could be abused that way. Just like several other
>folders on e.g. Vista could be as well since they share that exact
>functionality. Still that doesn't make it technically a rootkit. It is a
>pretty dumb idea, I totally agree. However AV really shouldn't be fooled
>by something like this anymore. Some still is, but they'll grow out of it.
>
>But just as Tyler Reguly phrased it just a few minutes earlier:
> > There's a number of reasons why this isn't actually a rootkit... The 
>problem with calling everything by the same name is that you degrade the 
>original meaning of the world
>
>This is the problem I was hitting at. And I am not trying to defend Sony.
>
>Many Greetings
>Paul
>
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