bugtraq - Re: [Full-disclosure] 0day: PDF pwns Windows

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Message-ID: <20070920183450.GB27492@demeter.hydra>
Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 12:34:50 -0600
From: Chad Perrin <perrin@...theon.com>
To: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com
Subject: Re: [Full-disclosure] 0day: PDF pwns Windows

On Fri, Sep 21, 2007 at 10:24:40AM -0400, Steven Adair wrote:
> Not in my book.  I guess the people on this list are working off too many
> different definitions of 0day.  0day to me is something for which there is
> no patch/update at the time of the exploit being coded/used.  So if I code
> an exploit for IE right now and they don't patch it until April September
> 2008, it's a 0day exploit for a year.  It's not necessarily new and it
> doesn't have to be used maliciously.
> 
> If I code an exploit (for which there is no patch) and use it on my own
> servers, does that mean it's not 0day?  I don't think so.  If my WordPress
> blog gets owned by pwnpress, that's not 0day.. there's patches/updates for
> everything on there.  It just makes me an idiot for not upgrading.  Now if
> I get hit with some WP exploit that's not patched, then that's another
> [0-day] story.

The reason malicious use before there's a patch is significant is that it
indicates a greater risk profile for users of the software in question.
If it's being actively used to compromise systems, you can't just sit
around waiting for a patch and expect to call your systems "secure" in
any sense of the term: you have to find a work-around, or remove the
vulnerable systems from the environment in which they're vulnerable
(normally, this means "the Internet").  That's why the term zero day is
important, and why it should not be misused to refer to something
demonstrated in a lab somewhere but not publicly disclosed in any detail.

That's why it's important to differentiate from exploits "in the wild"
and discovered vulnerabilities or proofs of concept.

-- 
CCD CopyWrite Chad Perrin [ http://ccd.apotheon.org ]
Baltasar Gracian: "A wise man gets more from his enemies than a fool from
his friends."