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Date: Wed, 18 Jun 2008 10:11:12 -0700
From: "Thor (Hammer of God)" <>
To: <>,
Subject: RE: A more detailed description of the Jura F90 vulnerability.

Have you shared all of this with the manufacturer first?


> -----Original Message-----
> From: Craig Wright []
> Sent: Tuesday, June 17, 2008 11:10 PM
> To:;
> Subject: A more detailed description of the Jura F90 vulnerability.
> The issue is a lack of input validation. OWASP would be a great
> learning exercise for the coders on this product. It seems to be
> assumed that only trust-worthy users will connect only to trust-worthy
> sites. I could not find any evidence of input validation.
> Through the magic of Web Scarab and Paros proxy, one can capture the
> Internet communications used by the F90 Internet Connection Kit
> software. What you soon see is that the software does not account for
> either bypassing the local application and changing the input or in
> spoofed and re-directed sites.
> The software does not validate the site it gets the information from
> nor does it sufficiently validate the input to the software.
> At the moment as I think there are so few people as crazy as I am who
> actually have to have a gadget just as it is Internet connected; this
> is not likely to become a widespread attack vector.
> The software is an oversized web proxy with other stuff to connect to
> the coffee machine thrown in. Jura did not make the assumption that an
> evil attacker could purposefully modify and publish "evil" coffee
> "recipes.
> I have been taking the updated SANS@...e 610 course. I have a GREM,
> Lenny and the other guys have added an additional component to the
> Reverse Engineering Malware Course. So I had to take it.
> The course focuses on analysing and reversing malware, but IDA and
> work on binaries of all types and the bad combination of a bottle of
> good resiling and 9 coffees after midnight is not a good combination.
> Hence I decided to attack my coffee maker and the control software.
> There are certain aspects of code (like the ever faithful GETS()
> function) that should be beaten from existence. Others need to be
> securely configured such that all the required variable fields are
> entered correctly (see SPRINTF()). Unfortunately the coders at Jura
> not consider that "bad people" would ever attack a coffee maker ;).
> There are 2 main attacks that I have noted,
> 1       Loading a malicious setting or recipe into the device causing
> "coffee overflow" etc.
> 2       More seriously, not validating the input correctly coupled
> a lack of authorisation of the source and nothing to stop invalid data
> at the host means that malformed strings can be fed to the software
> that can either crash the system or if crafted correctly run a binary
> on the host.
> So, as most people who check this list I no doubt know, not validating
> input is bad. Trusting the web as you have a piece of custom software
> that is closed source and a belief that users are all nice is bad.
> Regards,
> Craig Wright GSE-Compliance
> PS for DMCA compliance reasons I would state that I was not reversing
> the software, but rather inputting unusual coffee recipes that had a
> strange binary flavour ;)
> Craig Wright
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