full-disclosure - Re: it\'s all about timing

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Message-ID: <200208011728.g71HSFV92004@mailserver2.hushmail.com>
From: choose.a.username at hushmail.com (choose.a.username@...hmail.com)
Subject: Re: it\'s all about timing

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On Thu, 1 Aug 2002 09:57:37 -0700, full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com wrote:
>>>>>> On Thu, 01 Aug 2002 16:03:33 +0300, Georgi Guninski <guninski@...inski.com> said:
>
>    GG> What scares me is that the "Responsible Disclosure" FUD continues.
>    GG> On bugtraq people write that CERT and SecurtyFocus are "established parties" and
>    GG> everyone who does not give them their 0days is irresponsible (at least CERT is
>    GG> known to sell 0days). I personally won't give them my 0days early.
>
>I would like to see evidence that CERT "sells 0days".  Pretty
>significant claim.  Although, I probably wouldn't disclose the actual
>exploits to CERT, just to the vendor.

Punch in  "CERT sell warnings" in any search engine and what do you get:

"Companies would pay $2,500 to $70,000 annually, depending on their revenue, and in exchange would receive warnings about new Internet threats generally 45 days before anyone else."

What's the big surprise, submit a zero-day to CERT, they hang onto it, tell their paying customers about it, then 45 days later release it.

WASHINGTON -- One of the U.S. government's front-line defenses against cyber-sabotage will begin selling its early warnings about the latest Internet threats, something it used to share only with federal agencies.
The shift comes as the taxpayer-funded CERT Coordination Center, formerly known as the Computer Emergency Response Team, joins a prominent electronics trade association to form a new "Internet Security Alliance."

The effort, to be announced here Thursday, would distribute up-to-the-minute warnings to international corporations about cyber-threats, offer security advice and ultimately establish a seal program to certify the security of companies' computer networks. Companies would pay $2,500 to $70,000 annually, depending on their revenue, and in exchange would receive warnings about new Internet threats generally 45 days before anyone else.

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