full-disclosure - Re: it\'s all about timing

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Message-ID: <Pine.GSO.4.43.0208052137280.24619-100000@tundra.winternet.com>
From: dufresne at winternet.com (Ron DuFresne)
Subject: Re: it\'s all about timing


	[SNIP]

> >Your number 6 below:
> >
> >"The Vendor MUST provide a facility for individuals or
> >   organizations who are not Customers to report vulnerabilities"
> >
> >This to me sounds like it is acceptable that there are going to be
> >vulnerabilities. Continue cranking out shodware because we have a set
> >of guidelines that people who stumble across them are expected to
> >adhere to.
>
> Vulnerabilities will happen, even in the best of circumstances, as
> long as new types of vulnerabilities are discovered.  If there are 20
> individuals who decide to audit a package for a new type of
> vulnerability, but the vendor only has 5 developers, then it seems
> like there's a good chance that someone other than the vendor will
> discover the issue.  Then you've got "interaction" vulnerabilities,
> which I loosely define as when a vulnerability occurs in the way that
> two products interact with each other.  Developers can't always
> predict how their product will be used, or how it will interact with
> other products, so interaction-based vulnerabilities may be around in
> one form or another.


But seriously, what's new about buffer overflows, which are the main cause
of vunls in software now as they were in the 1980's and prior when the
morris worm hit[1].  How about repeat issue with the same products, like
the M$ sql server issues <not that M$ is the only vendor with products
that sink time and again>?


What 'new types of vulnerabilities' are being discovered?


	[SNIP]


Thanks,

Ron DuFresne
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