Message-ID: <20020815131401.24017.qmail@email.com>
From: sockz at email.com (sockz loves you)
Subject: Administrivia

Dear Len Rose,
I felt it appropriate to pick apart your argument in-text.

> I'd like to mention a few things that have been on my mind.
>
> There are many people who'd like to see this list disappear,
> and not just the so-called "black-hats".

no.  politicians, businesses, and even pre-school teachers (and yes even pre-
school teachers, i know because i talked to them and asked them what they
thought, seeing as they are bringing up the next generation of hackers)
 
> The list was founded with the idea that moderation, censorship,
> and misuse of the information that the community contributed
> was evil, and should be stopped.

how can you argue, on the one hand, that the misuse of information should be
stopped.  yet... on the other, provide information that is used by recondite
lamers in a destructive manner?  by posting freely here you are helping people
misuse information.  how can you not see that?
 
> The very people who are defecating in public on this list, 
> should realize that they are in fact defecating on their own 
> silver platter.

i am an individual of very strong values.  and most of my values are against
public defecation.  i dont condone it at all.  though i think if people have
to defecate anywhere, at least if they defecate on their own silver platter it
remains their responsibility to clean.

> This platter being handed to them by someone who wanted to 
> provide a place where they could share ideas, communicate their
> opinions, and to be heard equally without being stifled in any
> manner.

in other words, a place for whitehats to share their shit yeah?  i can under-
stand where you are coming from, Len.  really i do.  but you must realise that
its this shit that destroys society.  trading that kind of stuff is foul.  and
unsanitary.  and if you enjoy that kind of thing then i suggest you seek help
before your defecation fetishes knock you up with a few diseases.

> There are no hats, there are only hackers. People like to
> organize the world into little boxes, but unfortunately, it
> isn't that simple. 

no its not like that at all, Len.  there are hats.  and whitehats aren't
hackers.  though if you DO want to argue the opposite, we can do that too. see
these concepts exist without definition of whitehat or blackhat.  if you hack,
then you are a hacker.  if you try and stop a hacker, then you musn't be one.
cuz that would ultimately mean suicide.
its thats simple.

> You cannot condemn once side or the other at all times, you can 
> only condemn specific actions by specific people, at specific 
> actions. There is no black or white, there are only shades.

no you're wrong.  i can condemn whoever i like.  just like the law will condemn
anyone it likes... or dislikes, rather.  its all about solidarity, Len.  who's
side are you on?
 
> This list takes no position on anything other than the desire
> to communicate without moderation, censorship, misuse of the
> information shared, and the delay of shared information.
>
> If there is anything that my life has taught me, it's been 
> that nothing worth anything is without a  price. I've paid
> that price, and am still paying. 

how peachy.
 
> We will not moderate the list. The list will not go away, and
> we hope that everyone can see the situation for what it is.
> 
> Len

i hope so too, Len.  i hope you all wake up and realise what a moral wrong you
are all doing by giving the name "hacker" a sullied reputation.  just remember,
it is never too late to change.  never.
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