Message-ID: <20020822055646.13496.qmail@email.com>
From: sockz at email.com (sockz loves you)
Subject: hypo-crazy ;)

> The testosterone poisoning that has been complained about a few times in this
> discussion is indicative of a completly differnt problem with groups like
> PHC.

yeah but those complaints (as far as i know) have come from ppl who aren't on
#phrack all that much.  anyone who's spent more than 5mins on #phrack knows
that those with any real skill aren't like that at all.

> It is true that the IT and the white/black/whogivesashit -hat scene is
> dominated by males.

oh for sure.  same with science in general since the beginning.  the reaction
we're seeing to girls starting to come into the IT industry is the same
reaction that general science displayed decades ago.  and its all happening
TODAY.  thirty years ago girls couldn't go to school and end up with a career
in chemistry.  today we seem the same resistance.  girls who actually do know
what they're on about being told that they cant ever be more than aol whores
because they are girls.

but i think that kind of mindset is more prevalent in the script kiddy scene
than it is in groups like PHC.  while some ppl on #phrack may spew forth sexist
claims, they're not anyone worth looking up.  they carry next to no weight.

> It is true that there are people on both sides(?) that are extremely talented
> at what ever they choose to do, namely computer security issues. etc.
>
> It is true there are talented and well adjusted humans on both sides.

both sides as in sec & anti-sec?  of course.  but talent is like a 20 megaton
atomic bomb.  its not the bomb that really matters, its what you choose to do
with it that counts.

> however the vaast majority of both talented and non-talented people on the
> "blachhat"-side are lacking in not only social skills but common everyday
> intelligences, and are guilty of some of the most heinously ignorant actions.

i'm not saying that you have to be over a certain height to be a blackhat, but
you have to look at the socialisation of the hacker as well as their
intelligence.  yes, some hackers have very different beliefs to those of the
mainstream community, but just because they do doesn't mean they're reflective
of the entire community.  and i'll think you'll find that more than often those
hackers who do advocate sexist views just haven't detached themselves from the
whole schoolyard philosophy of "boys are always better than girls".  its the
whole "omg i cant let a _girl_ be better than me".  movies, music, games...
they all reinforce this.

> Which leaves one to wonder. if one of these people saw a female IRL (not IRC)
> would they proceed thier pelvis first abuses? would they insist that since a
> girl does not have testicals they are less talented?

well i've seen it happen.  but thats was with script kiddies who assumed that
everything they heard from these "elite" IRC script kiddies... was true.  some
women choose to just ignore it and laugh.  others move in for a full scale
assault...the point being? everyone has different views, and these change can
over time.

> or is this an extension of some deep-seated insecurities? well if i can't
> have them i'll just insist they suck.

heh.  mebe.  though if you look at the girls of todays generation, they seem
to wear the "overachieving, high success, big dreams, perfect everything" shoes
that go with the whole girl power outfit.  so telling a girl she suckz isn't
necessarily going to achieve anything.  in fact if it affects her at all, it
will probably only make her work harder at where she's heading.  but i'm no
psychologist... so...

> anyways yeah BTW, i'm a guy.

uh huh.. sure....
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