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Message-ID: <NMRC.666.6.66.0209161054290.24548-100000@www.nmrc.org>
From: hellnbak at nmrc.org (hellNbak)
Subject: Are PHC going to ultimately secure more work
 for "Security Consultants"?

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Interesting -- the header even says it came from my mail box -
mail.entrenchtech.com - thats what I get for allowing Exchange to relay.
ooop my bad....

Guess its time for me to start signing emails and of course turn off
relaying.

For the record:

1.)  This mailing list is not stupid
2.)  They probably already have drawn the attention of law enforcement but
I have no way of really knowing that.
3.)  They are not buying me a new house.  But if any of you wish to buy me
a house feel free.  :-)
4.)  I am a fsking moron for leaving relaying open on my mail server so I
got what I deserve.
5.)  Relaying is now closed and all messages to Full-Disclosure will be
posted from this mail account and signed.
6.)  To whomever relayed the message -- I will have your IP addr in my
logs but I ph33r your l33tn3ss.  lol

sigh............what a way to start a Monday......

On Mon, 16 Sep 2002, Steve  Manzuik wrote:

> Date: Mon, 16 Sep 2002 08:13:23 -0600
> From: Steve  Manzuik <steve@...renchtech.com>
> To: James Martin <fulldisclose@...ppz.com>, full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Are PHC going to ultimately secure more
>     work for "Security Consultants"?
>
> That is exactly what I said to them on that stupid mailing list.  "Thanks, you are buying me a new home..." which of course gets them into a frenzy of "sell-out" and other accusations.  But whatever, they are a bunch of misguided souls who think they are going to make a name for themselves.  I think this last rant from them, if its not happening already, will draw the attention of various law enforcement.
>
> 	-----Original Message-----
> 	From: James Martin [mailto:fulldisclose@...ppz.com]
> 	Sent: Mon 9/16/2002 5:56 AM
> 	To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> 	Cc:
> 	Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Are PHC going to ultimately secure more work for "Security Consultants"?
>
>
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> 	I've been pondering the real effect PHC are going to have (if at
> 	least
> 	partially successful) on the "Security Industry". My conclusion is
> 	that
> 	ultimately they will help, not hinder the industry. I'd be interested
> 	to
> 	hear your comments on my argument.
>
> 	What does the industry rely on to maintain a market? Fear. Fear of
> 	breaches
> 	of privacy. Fear of vandalism. Fear of embarrassment. Fear of loss of
> 	productivity.
>
> 	For a company to invest in maintaining security, they must be able to
> 	justify their fears. As many of you know it can be very difficult to
> 	convince those in suits that there's a real risk of being hacked. A
> 	tangible
> 	representation of the risk is often needed, rather than just
> 	protecting
> 	against an unknown enemy.
>
> 	The spread of worms and viruses has had a very noticeable effect on
> 	the
> 	security policy in several companies to which I have involvement.
> 	CodeRed
> 	and Nimda are words known to many relatively untech-savvy managers,
> 	they
> 	instil fear. However it is still difficult to convince many that
> 	there is a
> 	real risk of non automated attacks on their systems (i.e. real people
> 	hacking them, not a worm or virus). Part of the reason for this is
> 	there is
> 	no coherent focus on who these unknown enemies are.
>
> 	If PHC et al succeed in building a name for themselves in the media,
> 	they
> 	will become to Al Quida of the security  industry. Still very sketchy
> 	in
> 	detail, but a label for the risk. This in my opinion should prove a
> 	powerful
> 	weapon in the arsenal of those pushing for larger (or even some)
> 	budgeted
> 	capital for security related services.
>
> 	Ultimately a threat is going to strengthen the industry not weaken
> 	it. Keep
> 	up the good work PHC, your securing the internet ;P.
>
>
> 	Regards
> 	James
>
>
> 	Web: http://www.uuuppz.com
> 	Email:  me@...ppz.com
>
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