From: misha at cerber.no (Mikhail Iakovlev)
Subject: Shawn Moyer is a spook ( and not a very good one)

Hi.

Guys, this is another post from hushmail. I wonder if this mail
provider collecting morons or what?

Besides, I tried to unsubscribe twice to THIS list, what happened to my requests?
I got mail in return that it awaits response by admins.

I am fed up with jerks like "theblackfist", or whatever this fist**** call himself.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with posting CV or list of your
relevant knowledge,especially in cases when you are looking for new
job, etc. At least it's common in many countries, it makes things simple.

If you find amusing facts of those certifications, I don't, since what
I see is:

Shawn has experience of at least 4 years, and for those 4 years amount
of those certifications is good enough to be on professional level.

If you are leet, blackie, why don't YOU show us what YOU can and list
of YOUR achievements? I bet you're still newbie student, or something
like that. At least your way of challenge speaks for itself.
Besides, being "leet" is all relative to what you compare to.

You can't know everything, information flow goes too fast, so accept
the fact and stop being ignorant sucker.

Cheers,
Mik-


Hello theblackfist,

Monday, September 23, 2002, 6:48:54 PM, you wrote:

>>> Evalutation of Shawn Moyer
>>> or "Why anonymity is preferable"

>>Fair enough. You are absolutely 100% correct that I shouldn't f
>>ly the
>>company flag when posting. Thanks for pointing this out. This w
>>ill be my
>>last mail here via work. You win.

>>> Subject harbors dissident tendencies, but is held in check by
>>> comfort levels provided by corporate sponsor.

>>Subject chooses to work in a useful and interesting field whils
>>t avoiding
>>employment with FUD-mongering security snake oil software / con
>>sulting firms
>>and other shady organizations.

thc> Hrrm. Shady orginizations like this one? :

thc> <klip>

thc> We have the expertise to match your skills and  experience with
thc> the needs of our client employers in the Commercial, Federal,
thc> Military, and Intelligence communities. ( from http://www.net-connect.com/ )
thc> </klip>

thc> <klip>


thc> So when does the broadcast storm happen? Are you sure the inside
thc> interface on the other box isn't up with the same IP as the primary box?
thc> If so this would account for the broadcast storm. Otherwise I don't see
thc> how this could happen.

thc> - --shawn

thc> s h a w n   m o y e r

thc> shawn@...-connect.net


thc> </klip>


thc> or this one ? :

thc> Naval Intelligence Professionals - Central Coast Chapter
thc> web.nps.navy.mil/~cccnip/
thc> SAG Assessment of Iran  hrrrm.
thc> you are scaring me now.
thc> but fuck that. what is a fist if it doesnt
thc> punch bad guys.

thc> http://web.nps.navy.mil/~relooney/4141_ClassBriefings.htm

thc> is also informative about our dear netsys spook-troll


thc>  p473n73d 7bf g3wgl3 t3kn|qu3 br|ng5 7r345ur3 :


thc> Shawn Moyer
thc> Project Lead - Information Security
thc> Reinsurance Group of America, Inc.

thc> COMPANY DATA:
thc> COMPANY CONFORMED NAME:REINSURANCE GROUP OF AMERICA INC
thc> CENTRAL INDEX KEY:0000898174
thc> STANDARD INDUSTRIAL CLASSIFICATION:ACCIDENT & HEALTH INSURANCE [6321]
thc> IRS NUMBER:431627032
thc> STATE OF INCORPORATION:MO
thc> FISCAL YEAR END:1231

thc> FILING VALUES:
thc> FORM TYPE:4
thc> SEC ACT:1934 Act
thc> SEC FILE NUMBER:001-11848
thc> FILM NUMBER:02755288

thc> BUSINESS ADDRESS:
thc> STREET 1:1370 TIMBERLAKE MANOR PARKWAY
thc> CITY:CHESTERFIELD
thc> STATE:MO
thc> ZIP:63017-6039
thc> BUSINESS PHONE:6367367000

thc> MAIL ADDRESS:
thc> STREET 1:1370 TIMBERLAKE MANOR PARKWAY
thc> CITY:CHESTERFIELD
thc> STATE:MO
thc> ZIP:63017-6039

thc> CHASTISE : If you have indeed disconnected with the intel community,

thc> ( and I dont believe anyone truly does) you should be ashamed of yourself

thc> your resume' here says :

thc> CCSA - Checkpoint Certified Sec. Admin 5/01
thc> 9th Usenix Security Symposium 8/00
thc> CheckPoint CCSA / CCSE Training 2/00
thc> Cisco CCDA Primer Training 11/99
thc> CCNA - Cisco Certified Network Associate 10/99
thc> Cisco Frame Relay Lab / Training 8/99
thc> Cisco CCNA Primer Training 6/99
thc> Cisco VPN Solutions Seminar / Lab 4/99
thc> Cisco LAN/WAN Router Lab / Training 2/99
thc> CompTia A+ Certification 7/98

thc> Until at least as recent as february of 2001 you worked as
thc> Senior Web Security Consultant at Mastercard International
thc> in St. Louis (seems like a good place for an intel plant), and you have given substandard instruction to the american military and intel community if your negligence @ Reinsurance Group of
thc> America is any indicator ( and yes I say negligence because we all saw from
thc> the lesson that brutha bunny taught secfocus , even a full-of-shit triviality (like 10k wizard - see sunday sermon) that doesnt reside on your server can get you OWNED)

thc> There are 3 possibilities in our all seeing eyes Mr. Moyer.

thc> 1.) You are a complete moron who has no clue about what has been,
thc> and what will continue to go on, ( see Theo the rat,
thc> ryan pusstule [Blue Hoar],fate-labias, and a multitude
thc> of other charlatans ) or maybe had no idea that the ascended
thc> ones resided on this list. I doubt it.

thc> 2.) You assumed that all the "trolls" were children uncapable of mounting
thc>     such a knive-tongued attack on your credibility ( valid whichever
thc>     way it goes)

thc> 3.) If you are indeed still with intel what the hell is your problem! It REALLY
thc>     FUCKING DISTURBS ME that I can find your home address and number. AGHHHHH
thc>     ( I withheld it) Jeezuz. don't you realize that a majority of the world
thc>      doesn't like us? ( yes, I am happy San Antonio resident) You people need to
thc>     evaluate all of your policies. I am NOT a fan of guv but it is bad time now.
thc>     I don't like the idea of chewing on chunky bio-haz cookies for breakfast.






>>Oh, and trust me, the comfort le
>>vels are very
>>minimal in comparison to a lot of the InfoSec rock stars out th
>>ere, and
>>certainly not enough to hold any dissident tendencies in check.
>> I've just
>>found positive channels for mine, that's all.

thc> Dunno your dossier looks pretty fucking "rockstar" to me


>>You have to offer something beyond these absolutes... Who *is*
>>it acceptable
>>to work for? It is acceptable to work, right? Who are the good
>>guys? Please
>>inform.

thc> The jury remains out on that one clyde.


>>> Sean [sic] write
>>> personal mail to me and call attention to himself as well as
>>> he employer Reinsurance Group of America

>>If "call attention" equates to replying with a songlist in resp
>>onse to
>>yours, again, fair enough. I guess you're really not a Screechi
>>ng Weasel
>>fan.

thc> Actually I liked a majority of your song sharing. David Byrne rox.

>>> let them know what you think of a respectable co. like RGA al
>>lowing
>>someone
>>> like shawn, who is obviously a terrorist, to remain on the pa
>>yroll.

>>Terrorist, no, although my hat is growing more white and less g
>>ray by the
>>moment, thanks to you. You have no idea how icky that feels.
thc> grrm .guv greyhat

thc> Lighten up. It was a joke meant to summon up visions of tips occiferz
thc> busting down your door.



>>> Note to Shawn: this is for your own good. you are not your kh
>>akis.

>>I prefer moleskin, actually. I'd love to understand what this c
>>omment means.

thc> Fight Club


thc> You are not your job.
thc> You are not the money in your bank account.
thc> You are not the car you drive. You are not how much money
thc> is in your wallet. You are not your fucking khakis.
thc> You are the all-singing, all-dancing crap of the world.
thc> - --------------------
thc> You are not special. You are not a beautiful or unique snowflake.
thc> You are the same decaying organic matter as everything else.
thc> - --------------------

thc> Everywhere I travel, tiny life. Single-serving sugar,
thc> single-serving cream, single pat of butter. The microwave
thc> Cordon bleu hobby-kit. Shampoo- conditioner combos.
thc> Sample-packaged mouthwash. The people I meet on flights?
thc> They're single-serving friends.You are not your job. You
thc> are not the money in your bank account. You are not the
thc> car you drive. You are not how much money is in your wallet.
thc> You are not your fucking khakis. You are the all-singing,
thc> all-dancing crap of the world.

>>> *__*> anti-sec, anti-establishment, pro-individualist,

>>Then how come my individualism gets me singled out? Or is it on
>>ly
>>individualism on your terms that's acceptable? Think hard befor
>>e you answer.
>>I'd love to discuss this over beers sometime rather than in a p
>>ublic forum,
>>but the point is, FWIW, your animosity is grossly misdirected.

thc> I wonder at times, by what I have read of yours, and your course materials
thc> . Your playlist was in your favor. But you have been weighed.

thc> And you have been found wanting.


thc>                    |
thc>                   .:.
thc>                  /___\


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 Mikhail                            mailto:misha@...ber.no

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