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Message-ID: <ILEPILDHBOLAHHEIMALBMEMPEKAA.jasonc@science.org> From: jasonc at science.org (Jason Coombs) Subject: Sapphire worm POC that fulldisclosure policies hurt everyone Hogwash. When your box gets destroyed mysteriously and you call your vendor to ask why, you're going to be happy with the answer "you don't need to know, and we're not going to tell you because it's a secret" ?? Ridiculous drivel. But thanks for sharing. -----Original Message----- From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com]On Behalf Of methylketone@...hmail.com Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2003 1:10 PM To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Sapphire worm POC that fulldisclosure policies hurt everyone -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- THE FULLDISCLOSURE PHILOSOPHY: Vulnerability gets released on mailing lists Admins patch machines <- IMPORTANT PART! Internet is secure! I hear alot of arguments put out by the naive in favor of fulldisclosure of vulnerability information. But the fact is, fulldisclosure policies hurt everyone, and this time, they have wreaked havoc across the entire internet. The ms-sql vulnerability has been known to the public for six months. If the fulldisclosure philosophy were correct, the vulnerability would have been patched by the vast majority of admins out there. However, that isn't what happened. Thousands of machines were compromised and it lead to a massive internet-wide loss of service. There are alot of attacks against the competency of administrators who failed to put their databases behind their firewall, and also failed to patch their machines, but fulldisclosure operates on the assumption that all administrators are going to find out about the bug and patch their machines. The fulldisclosure philosophy is flawed. The vast majority of those reading this message probably won the scriptkid/admin race of patching vs being compromised. But today, that didn't stop the destructive power of this worm. Today's denial of service was mostly caused by smaller enterprises with less competent administrators. The message is "pay up to the security consultants or your machines get owned". I would be more okay with this if it were just the machine's owners that got affected, but it's the entire internet. Get a clue, your actions have consequences. If the ms-sql bug had never been disclosed, and was slipped quietly to Microsoft, this never would have happened, and the same responsible administrators would have upgraded their software. The odds are, those same responsible administrators have had their database servers behind a firewall anyways, so this is all irrelavant. This catastrophe was caused solely by the disclosure of vulnerability information. I urge you to be more responsible with your actions in the future. The stability of the entire internet is at stake. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: Hush 2.2 (Java) Note: This signature can be verified at https://www.hushtools.com/verify wmEEARECACEFAj4zGT0aHG1ldGh5bGtldG9uZUBodXNobWFpbC5jb20ACgkQsX0pyCcw k+BI0ACgh/KwGDbK2C2EH7rszBKQ+yHKOp4AoLPlppnkMg1Tw2pB7dqq46pWGQox =ym30 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- Concerned about your privacy? Follow this link to get FREE encrypted email: https://www.hushmail.com/?l=2 Big $$$ to be made with the HushMail Affiliate Program: https://www.hushmail.com/about.php?subloc=affiliate&l=427 _______________________________________________ Full-Disclosure - We believe in it. Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
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