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Message-ID: <3E375AB5.4080507@gci.net>
From: poirotsj at gci.net (Steve Poirot)
Subject: [Secure Network Operations, Inc.] Full
 Disclosure != Exploit Release

So many posts on Full Disclosure, like this one, show that
many are using the list more for ego building and childlike flaming than
for useful information and constructive dialog.  What a shame.  At least
this kind of behavior could kept private rather than posting it to everyone
on the mailing list!

Day Jay wrote:

>ok, 
>
>do you honestly think that I didn't have a copy of
>that already? Like I don't know how to search google?
>Hmmmm, ok, yeah, I'm so lame I need to send you an
>e-mail to get an exploit for something that was
>released like months ago. I think you may be
>lost...hmmm, you may be a victim of social
>engineering, I recommend checking your machine for
>viruses/worms/trojans.
>
>Anyway, let it be known that you stopped releasing
>exploits because of the darkside looming over your
>shoulders. Just admit it.
>
>By they way, in terms of talent-> EEYE blows Snosoft
>out of the water with a blink of an eeye.
>
>Dude, just close SNOW and become an independant
>consultant. Don't act like some big security company,
>like some big player in the game.
>
>->To: KF <dotslash@...soft.com>
>
>->looking for the freebsd exploit on the syskey...
>->Also, checking to see if any new exploits were
>posted
>->on the site....
>
>kinda ironic I think...
>
>
>
>  
>
>>But at least, Snosoft can now call themselves
>>Blackhats. Wohoo, another blackhat added to the
>>    
>>
>list.
>  
>
>>PHC up, hoes down.
>>    
>>
>
>Better scratch that out... hats do not fit very well
>on my afro.
>
>
>--- KF <dotslash@...soft.com> wrote:
>  
>
>>Day Jay wrote:
>>    
>>
>>>First of all, 
>>>
>>>In my humble opinion: SNOSOFT hasn't offered
>>>      
>>>
>>anything
>>    
>>
>>>useful in terms of full disclosure. Where are the
>>>advisories?
>>>      
>>>
>>I will be the first to admidt I have not been the
>>best at organising a 
>>proper advisory repository but there are plenty of
>>them out there...
>>
>>I was one of those people that assumed bugtraq would
>>not "change" and 
>>that when it came time for me to place all my work
>>in a nice advisory 
>>database I could go there an retrieve my
>>information.... because of that 
>>I did not take the time to make pretty ISS and eEye
>>style 
>>advisories...and you can not find them on our page
>>but they were made 
>>available.... SRT2002 should work just fine in any
>>search engine.
>>
>>Heres a few randomly...
>>
>>
>>    
>>
>http://cert.uni-stuttgart.de/archive/bugtraq/2002/06/msg00032.html
>  
>
>http://www.opennet.ru/base/sco/988181601_2005.txt.html
>  
>
>http://www.opennet.ru/base/sco/988181601_1997.txt.html
>  
>
>http://www.opennet.ru/base/sco/988181601_1979.txt.html
>  
>
>>>I know alot of people are going to love the fact
>>>      
>>>
>>that
>>    
>>
>>>Snosoft stopped trying to release exploits, but I
>>>      
>>>
>>know
>>    
>>
>>>some script kids that are going to be devastated
>>>      
>>>
>>about
>>    
>>
>>>this.
>>>      
>>>
>>You mean like you and the rest of your buddies? Was
>>it not you that 
>>mailed me a few days ago because we took the httpd
>>offline and you could 
>>not get a copy of iosmash.c. You seemed to value our
>>resources at that 
>>point in time...
>>
>>->Return-Path: <d4yj4y@...oo.com>
>>->Date: Mon, 13 Jan 2003 11:36:51 -0800 (PST)
>>->From: Day Jay <d4yj4y@...oo.com>
>>->Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: Gary Coleman
>>Works for
>>->Globalintersec!
>>->To: KF <dotslash@...soft.com>
>>
>>->looking for the freebsd exploit on the syskey...
>>->Also, checking to see if any new exploits were
>>posted
>>->on the site....
>>
>>kinda ironic I think...
>>
>>    
>>
>>>But at least, Snosoft can now call themselves
>>>Blackhats. Wohoo, another blackhat added to the
>>>      
>>>
>>list.
>>    
>>
>>>PHC up, hoes down.
>>>      
>>>
>>Better scratch that out... hats do not fit very well
>>on my afro.
>>
>>-KF
>>
>>
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>>
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