full-disclosure - MCAFEE E-MAIL SCAN ALERT!~FWD: INTERNET S

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Message-ID: <a0521066cbab9e1dc1066@[10.0.1.2]>
From: brad.knowles at skynet.be (Brad Knowles)
Subject: MCAFEE E-MAIL SCAN ALERT!~FWD:
 INTERNET S

At 2:06 PM +1300 2003/04/09, Nick FitzGerald wrote:

>  What he, and several others of us, said makes you stupid is that you
>  _forwarded the whole message when you suspected the attachment was a
>  virus or something similar_.

	For the moment, let's assume that this was a result from a new 
virus, Trojan Horse, or hoax that had not previously been encountered.

	Now, this list is called "full-disclosure".  How are we to 
intelligently discuss some subject, if we don't have a complete copy 
of the thing that it is that we are supposed to be discussing?

>  Your inability to accept that that was extremely stupid is seen as
>  quite reasonably reinforcing that belief.

	I had thought that this was the list where all the real security 
experts went, after BugTraq started taking a more intrusive editorial 
stance.

	I had thought that we'd have people on this list that have 
sufficiently armored themselves against attack that we wouldn't have 
things like "virus detected" warnings being posted via automated 
programs.

	I had thought that we could have a reasonable discussion, and 
that if there was something I had missed, people would provide me 
with a pointer to the appropriate information source, without the 
infantile need to resort to name-calling.


	A number of people were, indeed, kind enough to provide links to 
the virus description web pages (ones that I had searched for but 
obviously missed), and I greatly appreciate the speed of their 
response.

	Are you, and others, now going to make me regret that this is the 
place where I thought that a free and open discussion was actually 
possible?

-- 
Brad Knowles, <brad.knowles@...net.be>

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety."
     -Benjamin Franklin, Historical Review of Pennsylvania.

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