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Message-ID: <00cf01c3189c$6f72b8a0$010a000a@POOH>
From: daniel at pooh.cz (Daniel Dočekal)
Subject: MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof

Sure Richard it is actually loader of dialer program itself - it even updates itself any time it wants and it does anything it wants. And there thousands of people who had this bad luck to "use" that kind of software without properly realising what they are doing.

Concerning that certifitace - stop trusting things which cannot be trusted. Would be any COmpany/Street text something you can trust? Would it change any time that company relocates? 

It's problem of Microsoft who made this "authenticode" verification so misguided and people that they even trust to that. Actually one should not trust to anything that is not personally known to him...

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 4:10 PM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof

The downloaded ActiveX file can be found at this URL: http://80.96.118.2/ac/mw/MSN_QTPieJess1.exe

I ran a strings on the file and the control is called:  TIBS Loader module and the ProgID is LoaderCon.LoaderCon.  I can't find anything on the Web about this particular ActiveX control, but it wouldn't surprise me that it is part of some sort adult dialer scheme.  The control appears to be more of a downloader program and not the adult dialer itself.

My question:  Why can't an Authenticode certificate present the following information to a user:

   - Company name
   - Street address
   - Phone number
   - Web site URL
   - Contact Email address
   - Company logo
   - Link to a product description page

All this information can be verified when a company applies for a Authenticode signing tool.  The current scheme is just plain silly as this MSN scam illustrates.  There is simply no way to verify where a piece of software is really coming from.

Richard 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Do?ekal
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 2:08 AM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof

Browser Plugin is ADULT DIALER - it connects via modem to telephone service and you pay your sexy adventure through your telephone bill. In many cases, there are adult dialers committing fraud - they redirect your dial-up internet connection to very expensive number without your knowledge. 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Richard M. Smith
Sent: Monday, May 12, 2003 3:40 AM
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com; secure@...rosoft.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] MSN Webcam / Chat Spoof

You missed the good part.  If you actually go to the "MSN" Web site and press the "Connect Now" button, the site tries to download some questionable ActiveX control.  Not to worry however:

   Just press YES in the dialog box when it appears. This operation is totally safe and certified by Microsoft Authenticode?

The control is signed by "Browser Plugin".  I guess Thawte will give anyone an Authenticode certificate nowadays.  I wonder who "Browser Plugin" really is?

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