full-disclosure - [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm

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From: eddie at lucifuge.freeserve.co.uk (eddie)
Subject: [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm

On Thu, 5 Jun 2003, Ben Tyson-Norrman wrote:

> Date: Thu, 5 Jun 2003 18:11:07 +0100
> From: Ben Tyson-Norrman <ben@...waytv.co.uk>
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
>
> As I started this one - can I put a stop to it...
>
> What was it I read the other day, if you call someone a Nazi then officially
> that's the end of the thread...
>
> Okay I'm going to call me, ben@...waytv.co.uk, erstwhile postee in html,
> user of Windows 2000 (and BSD and Linux and Solaris, before you start),
> sending email via Exchange which attaches a crappy disclaimer - a complete
> and utter Nazi....
>

Ahhh, you refer to Godwins Law, (Godwin's Rule) Any off-topic mention of Hitler
or Nazis will bring the thread it is mentioned in to an irrelevant and
off-topic end very soon; every thread on UseNet has a constantly-increasing
probability to contain such a mention.

However, Quirk's Exception: Intentional invocation of this so-called
"Nazi Clause" is ineffectual. (net.legends faq)

And so this worthless thread continues...

Eddie

> Yes I've done it - I've called someone a Nazi.... so now we have to start a
> new thread and post at least 3 bits of useful information before we can
> revert to abuse, slander, mis-reading of posts, mis-understanding of posts,
> not trying to hear what the person is saying in voice- rather than just
> reading the words and generally taking our stress out on everyone else (who
> for the most parts should be our allies)..
>
> What I've learnt is....
> ZA is okay for homeusers - there are no desperately obvious holes.
> There are other alternatives - I use one of the others at home (not that you
> care) - but the person who asked the question of me (who is fairly
> technical), is probably doing the best he can.
> The negative comments I have seen, viz :- (snip from some or other list)
> <<zone alarm (which contrary to popular belief is not a real firewall and a
> joke in the IT community as a whole)>> is empty posturing as usual, but then
> the same goes for everything else (there are a lot of "experts" out
> there...)
>
> May your evenings (days, morning or nights - depending on your timezone) be
> blessed with happyness...
>
> Personally I'm going home to get a beer or two....
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: JT [mailto:ptourvi1@...ny.rr.com]
> Sent: 05 June 2003 16:13
> To: 'Shawn McMahon'; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
>
>
> This is a lame basis for your argument. You provide 2
> vulnerabilities that
> are old. Everything has vulnerabilities, I will not waste my
> time search ZA
> for one, it's in there, it's a proven statistic. Now, explain to me how
> having one of your uninformed users make a decision for every
> app that wants
> to access the internet is better than plugging a router in and
> being done
> for the most part. Which is easier? Right, the router is easier
> because they
> just plug it in and go. You would have us believe that these
> "inept" users
> WITHOUT ANY computer person are going to be smart enough to
> FIND zone alarm,
> INSTALL it, CONFIGURE it, and then decide each time anything
> wants to hit
> the net. Please, spend 30 more seconds and show me some CURRENT
> vulnerabilities.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of
> Shawn McMahon
> Sent: Thursday, June 05, 2003 9:23 AM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] [OFFTOPIC] Zone Alarm
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 04, 2003 at 08:35:05PM -0700, morning_wood said:
> >
> > Theres nowhere for the packets to go.. and please, when was
> the last time
> > anyone here had to flash a personal style router / switch
> > within the past 2 years... dont go esoteric on us now..
>
> Perhaps you should read security bulletins more often.
>
> http://www.idefense.com/advisory/10.31.02a.txt
> http://www.opennet.ru/base/netsoft/993631863_204.txt.html
>
> That's just two.  Should I spend another 30 seconds searching and get
> you some more?
>
> Or are you going to argue that Linksys and Netgear are "esoteric"?
>
>
>