From: s2_pi_di_ty at hotmail.com (Donnie Weiner)
Subject: Infobot-backdoor

It's rather odd that you'd finish your post with "im sure the rest of us 
dont want to see retarded worthless flames cluttering our mailboxes ..", 
seeing as I was responding to a post in which you had just flamed an 
innocent person posting about something completely unrelated to you. In 
fact, the vast majority of your submissions are either flames riddled with 
profanity or just completely arbitrary. Even in the light of your "scolding" 
reply, you are a kiddie, so "come out and face the music".

"kiddies are ones who use others tools and have no knowledge whatsoever on 
how they work..."
You're just about as wrong with this term as morning_wood is with the usage 
of "0-day". There are more ways to be a kiddie then simply using premade 
tools. More specifically, a kiddie is someone who lacks significant skill 
(e.g., you). So you've written a few password stealers, "Wow! Highly 
sophistocated technonolgy!" Besides, all the evidence I've come across says 
you don't even write the code, you rip it (go figure). Nevertheless, how 
does this benefit the security community? How do they indicate that you have 
any knowledge of security whatsoever? Answer: They don't. All you're doing 
is feeding lame 13 year olds who know how to infect people over kazaa and 
use the compromised systems for DDoS. Anybody responsible for something this 
lame should be ashamed of themselves. You rip/write trojan accessories which 
takes little or no skill or sophistication to design, create, or implement. 
Hence, you're a trojan kiddie. As a general rule, if you don't want to be 
labeled as lame then don't associate yourself with such lame activities. 
Otherwise, accept your label, trojan kid.

>From: w g <xillwillx@...oo.com>
>To: Donnie Weiner <s2_pi_di_ty@...mail.com>, 
>full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
>Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Infobot-backdoor
>Date: Mon, 16 Jun 2003 22:15:39 -0700 (PDT)
>
>im sure we know the difference between kiddies and such... kiddies are ones 
>who use others tools and have no knowledge whatsoever on how they work... 
>me on the other hand have crafted these tools from assembly (masm a.k.a. 
>assembly) so tell me now that im till a kiddie bitch...or couse we can all 
>make out fake hotmail accounts to hide or real identity and be l33t0 
>h4x0rif1c... but youre too much of a pussy to come out and face the music.. 
>till then eat a fat dick and stfu.. til i see some proof you can code or do 
>anything else  im sure the rest of us dont want to see retarded worthless 
>flames cluttering our mailboxes ..
>
>Donnie Weiner <s2_pi_di_ty@...mail.com> wrote:Since when do lamers with no 
>security knowledge whatsoever get permission to
>flame? Everybody check out http://www.illmob.org to see "w g" a.k.a.
>Illwill's level of "skill". If you can't be bothered to look, I've pasted
>some of the "tools" made by this moron below:
>
>trILLian rape:
>by: illwill - 2.5kb - this program will get the users and passwords from
>trillian (icq,aim,msn,yahoo) and send them to your icq uin
>
>kILLer 2.0:
>by: illwill - 3kb - stays resident on the machine to kill start/restart
>avs/firewall every 5 seconds.. kills over 280 fw's/av's
>
>PassRape 1.0:
>by: illwill - 11kb - simple ******* password unmasker ,tested on win98
>
>ILL-Eagle DL:
>by: illwill - 1.62kb - a webdownloader made especially for vb trojan coders
>or users it checks for the presence of Msvbvm60.dll in the system directory
>before dling the trojan if its not there it dls the dll then the trojan
>
>halflife jacker:
>by: illwill - 1.26kb - steals victims half life cdkey from their registry
>and sends it to your icq number
>
>cginotify:
>by: illwill - 1.98kb - a 1.9kb CGI notifier that sends to cgi script the
>victims inner lan and outter wan ip,username:) works on win9x/me/nt/2k/xp
>uses: to bind with other trojans that dont have notification or as a
>replacement to icq notification or as a standalone app
>
>Shut it down loader:
>by: illwill - 3.5kb - smallest webdler that kills firewalls/antivirus 
>before
>downloading the much larger trojan .. then stay resident on the machine to
>kill any restart of avs/firewalls every 5 seconds.. kills over 280 
>fw's/av's
>
>
>
>At this point you should get the idea. Somebody remove this trojan kiddie
>from the list, PLEASE. He isn't capable of contributing. Illwill: Stay in
>your place, son. "kthnx"
>
>
> >From: w g To: Vanja Hrustic ,
> >full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure]
> >Infobot-backdoor Date: Sat, 14 Jun 2003 23:50:04 -0700 (PDT)
> >
> >"'Maybe we should have 2 lists instead of 1; full-discolure and
> >full-disclosure-diapers'"
> >
> >i wanna be on the 'full-discolure' list , me no likey diapers... and yes
> >some morons like yourself do install default when they dont know what the
> >fuck they are doing ... so sit down ,shut the fuck up and quit your
> >bitchin. kthnx
>
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