full-disclosure - Immature blabla / cisco exploit

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From: steve at videogroup.com (Steve)
Subject: Immature blabla / cisco exploit

?!?

Hmm. So we have some dislikes about how the list is run. Though I did say: 
"Accoding to Len they should have received a warning and be on, if not 
already done, a ban list shortly. We'll see..."

Which reflected my doubts about it being done, however since I'm on the CC - 
I'm not endorsing insulting flame wars. On either side!

We have subscribed to a list which contains a very high noise ratio. We can 
unsubscribe, but the reality is that we don't want to miss something 
important so we stick to it. This means the responsibility level has gone 
up. For both us and you! Even though this is a volunteer run list, you have 
created something which more people depend on.

Seing this kind of exchange on the behalf of the list owners does not match 
the higher moral ground you need to hold to keep our respect. As that 
respect goes down the noise ratio will go up and to that degree the list 
will be in decline. 

Some people wants nothing more than for the list to fail, others are very 
fed up with childish like noise. Myself I've stated that you can be full 
disclosure of security issues and still moderate out these very disrelated 
posts as they clearly have nothing to do with security. It requires time 
and the ability to tell what is security related and not.

Failing that you really need to make good on keeping the noise down.

If you cannot uphold a higher standard subscribers will move towards a 
free-for-all. And that will be that.

Please realize that a very high percentage would move to a similar list in a 
heart beat if they thought it was run tighter.

On Tuesday 22 July 2003 04:59 pm, Ron DuFresne wrote:
> I request that the list bear with me this time here;
>
> On Tue, 22 Jul 2003, security snot wrote:
> > DuFresne - is that French?  I won't expect you to be fluent in English;
> > nor shall I expect you to use the word email in your emails.  Nice to
> > know however that you have national pride.  Unfortunately, the pride is
> > for France.
>
> I see it impossible to insult your intelligence as it was only a week ago
> I was accused of being a Pakistani website defacer, and am now presumed
> to be a French national.  Can I suggest son, that you wipe that little
> nose, read for awhile from others that have experience and actual
> abilities, and learn, then perhaps in a few years, think about posting,
> when time and hopefully some maturity has guided you beyond these racist
> ends that drive you at present.
>
>
> Again, apologies to the rest of the list,
>
> Thanks,
>
> Ron DuFresne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
>
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.

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Steve Szmidt