From: eckman at umn.edu (Brian Eckman)
Subject: Red Bull Worm

My my, are we grumpy today :-)

You said that this "worm" that, as far as anyone can tell, exists solely 
as a comment, is "much more effective than Code Red ever was". Pardon me 
for pointing out your FUD.

A worm will likely be created. If written even fairly well, it should be 
more "effective" than Code Red (whatever your definition of effective 
is). However, what was provided to the list wasn't of much use to 
anyone, so I was pointing out how premature it was to start labelling it.

I'll resist the temptation of responding to your flames.

Brian

Joel R. Helgeson wrote:
> Ahem;
> 1) This is the list where exploits get posted. If/when a worm is released,
> this is where you'll hear about it first. Its usually created by someone who
> monitors the list. If early warnings are too much for you to handle, unsub
> from the list and wait to hear about this stuff on CNN.
> 2) Code Red infected IIS servers, used those infected servers to spread
> itself, and setup compromised machines to perform a massive DOS attack
> against the whitehouse.gov server at a predetermined date & time. Pretty
> simple.
> 3) RPC/DCOM is running on every single Win2k, 2k3, XP & NT4 machine on this
> side of the sun. No need to look for servers that are running IIS.  If you
> were to compile the code, you'll see how devastatingly efficient this code
> is at providing you root access to any box you aim this thing at.
> 4) Once the machine is exploited, the box will establish an outbound
> connection to an FTP server, or IRC server to await further instructions.
> If you can't look at this fact alone and realize that this is a pretty big
> f***ing hole, you need to get yerself a new line of work.
> 5) People think that filtering ports on the firewall will prevent the bug
> from infecting them.  All you need to do is email it into someone and have
> them double click. That virus would infect every server within the
> enterprise within seconds.  If you think "That'll never happen" then just
> look at the message.zip virus that spreads. Every village has its idiot.
> 6) EVEN IF the code hasn't been worm-ified yet, it is only a matter of time.
> The exploit works, that much has been proven.
> 7) If you don't agree that this issue is MUCH LARGER than Code Red, well...
> its time for a new job.
> 
> Regards,
> Joel
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Brian Eckman" <eckman@....edu>
> To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
> Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2003 11:47 AM
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Red Bull Worm
> 
> 
> 
>>Joel R. Helgeson wrote:
>>
>>>Lets see, the last big worm to exploit windows was named Code Red after
>>
> the
> 
>>>Mountain Dew Code Red was brought to market.  Being that this worm is
>>
> much
> 
>>>more effective than Code Red ever was, I say worm should be named Red
>>
> Bull
> 
>>>as it is sure to exhibit much more energy than the Code Red worm.
>>>
>>
>>Pardon me if I am just plain ignorant, but where is this worm, and how
>>on earth is it "more effective than Code Red ever was" already if nobody
>>is talking about it? The only evidence of a worm I have seen is one
>>person showing comments supposedly from source code of some program
>>calling itself a worm...
>>
>>Brian
>>
>>-- 
>>Brian Eckman
>>Security Analyst
>>OIT Security and Assurance
>>University of Minnesota
>>612-626-7737
>>
>>"There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who
>>understand binary and those who don't."
>>
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> 
> 
> 


-- 
Brian Eckman
Security Analyst
OIT Security and Assurance
University of Minnesota
612-626-7737

"There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who
understand binary and those who don't."

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