full-disclosure - [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by W32Blaster] (fwd)

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Message-ID: <Pine.LNX.4.50.0308191829500.25374-100000@server.dimick.net>
From: denis at dimick.net (Denis Dimick)
Subject: [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by W32Blaster]
 (fwd)

We should talk about gun control next.. 



On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Michael Gale wrote:

> 
> 	Please ... if a MCSE is in charge of a network and something happens, like everyone on the network gets the MSBLASTER worm then the MCSE is as much at fault as Microsoft is. 
> 
> Microsoft builds the piece of sh*t but the MCSE are the ones pushing it down everyone's throat saying "Look at how user friend and secure this is".
> 
> Any real MCSE would know that windows is crap and should therefor do a better job of protecting the internal network.
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Tue, 19 Aug 2003 17:42:17 -0500 (CDT)
> Ron DuFresne <dufresne@...ternet.com> wrote:
> 
> > On Tue, 19 Aug 2003, Schmehl, Paul L wrote:
> > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----
> > > > From: Bryan K. Watson [mailto:bwatson@...Tracers.com]
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2003 3:46 AM
> > > > To: 'Byron Copeland'; 'Ron DuFresne'; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> > > > Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] [Fwd: Edwards AFB shut down by
> > > > W32Blaster] (fwd)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > That is a load of B.S. if I ever heard it.
> > > >
> > > > I can attest to the fact that this is indeed.... NOT BS...
> > > >
> > > > True, there are a bunch of MCSE's that are on top of
> > > > things....however, there are way too many scam artists with
> > > > MCSE's who only give a damn about getting a bigger consulting
> > > > fee than securing their customer's networks.
> > >
> > > And of course there isn't a single *nix consultant around who isn't
> > > worth his/her weight in gold and doing an absolutely fabulous job......
> > >
> > > Shitty people come in all shapes and sizes and infest every profession.
> > > They're as unavoidable as air.
> > 
> > Kinda feeling like all fingers point home huh?
> > 
> > Why blame the poor MCSE's when one should perhaps fault the vendor again,
> > for not only failing to provide a viable patching system that does not
> > overburden these folks, but also undertrains them in perperation for the
> > world of hurt they are about to be employed in.
> > 
> > There, that should satisfy all those  indignant MCSE's that try to do the
> > right thing, but are swamped with the rate of and poor quality of patches
> > they have to deal with.
> > 
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > 
> > Ron DuFresne
> > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> > "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> > eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> > business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> > 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> > 
> > OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> > 
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