full-disclosure - CERT Employee Gets Owned [WAY Off Topic]

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Message-ID: <20030826151534.GH6965@sentex.net>
From: damian at sentex.net (Damian Gerow)
Subject: CERT Employee Gets Owned [WAY Off Topic]

Thus spake I.R.van Dongen (vdongen@...isw.nl) [26/08/03 09:21]:
> > >if i say im going to meet you to kill you and i show up at said place am i
> > >guilty of anything other than a threat????
> > >
> > Intent is a statistically proven method for conviction.
> Entrapment however is only legal in the US. Or not in my country atleast.

Entrapment is a *very* fine legal line in most countries.  A cop waiting at
a corner of a busy intersection to catch speeders/red-light runners is not
entrapment.  A cop following you for ten blocks after he's caught you
speeding before pulling you over *could* be entrapment.  Stress on "could".

> This person would not have been convicted by dutch law, I'm sure. Just as by dutch law, arresting hookers just because they respond to your invitation is not convictable.

This person hasn't been convicted by *any* law at this point.  They've been
charged.  Big difference, especially in countries where you are assumed
innocent until proven guilty.

(Coincidentally, there's nothing wrong with prostitution in Canada.  It's the
pimping and public solicitation that's illegal.)

In a desparate attempt to bring this all back on topic...

No, wait, I can't.  This has drifted so far that I can't possibly think of a
way to bring this all back to computer security.  Let's just let this guy
deal with his own problems, and not everybody jump on it because it's
sensational.