full-disclosure - Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCAinfringable content!!!

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Message-ID: <009801c3888d$e2859f40$ca02a8c0@winxpnetsniper>
From: khermansen at ht-technology.com (Kristian Hermansen)
Subject: Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCAinfringable content!!!

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "myuu" <myuu@...o.com>
To: "Kristian Hermansen" <khermansen@...technology.com>
Sent: Thursday, October 02, 2003 1:56 AM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCAinfringable content!!!

> First off this has been in place for a couple weeks, second it was
> pretty well publicized when it was added.
> 
> Anyway, would you rather not see any notice at all? Seems more
> reasonable that they would at least admit to it.

Even if it is old news, which I was unaware, the Kazaa filtering is new as of September 12th.  I can't believe that it is even possible to allow this kind of activity.  What is going to happen if this sets a precedent for other companies?  I don't want every company in the world writing letters to Google referencing the DMCA and not allowing me to get my search results.  That's ludicrous!  The internet was created to be a medium for information exchange.  Google of all people should fight this since they are an information querying engine.  What ever happened to the Freedom of Information Act?  Guess it went right out the window with all of our civil rights after 9/11...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Mary Landesman" <mlande@...lsouth.net>
To: "Kristian Hermansen" <khermansen@...technology.com>
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:03 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA infringable content!!!

> I've noticed this with other searches. In other words, I don't believe this
> is Google's first foray into selective filtering.
> 
> I use Dogpile quite a bit for this very reaso, and have found them in most
> cases to be a better source. (Some things, like group searches, require
> Google).
> 
> Specifically regarding their invoking the DCMA, perhaps they were threatened
> with abetting and their hand was forced. OTOH, other rumors have been
> circulating regarding Google's close ties with the NSA.
> 
> They are a private company, meaning they are largely unaccountable
> (publicly) for their actions, so it's rather difficult to know which side of
> the fence they are sitting on. Certainly this recent decision of theirs does
> not bode well for it being on the side of the users. :-)
> 
> -- Mary

Ties to the NSA?  Where did you hear this?  If it turns out to be true, I will no longer be using Google...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Exibar 
To: Kristian Hermansen 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 9:32 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA infringable content!!!

I got a hit for Kazaa lite on the first page....are you sure that you're not an employee of sharman networks trying to get more searches for Kazaa Lite so it will get to the top of Google's listing?   

 sure sounds like it to me.....

Download Kazaa Lite K++ 2.4.2 - Improved version of Kazaa LITE !
... Kazaa Lite K++ 2.4.2, Subscribe to this program, Developer, ... ENGLISH.
A spyware free version of Kazaa, with many improvements ! Kazaa ... 
www.softnews.ro/public/cat/10/6/10-6-25.shtml - 68k - Cached - Similar pages 

Exibar

First of all, I'm NOT an employee of Sharman Networks.  And, you must not have noticed that your search yeilded a russian download site with an OLD version of the client.  The OFFICIAL page was never revealed to you...

----- Original Message ----- 
From: Poof 
To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 01, 2003 8:57 PM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Google FILTERS searches for possible DMCA infringable content!!!

Yeah... But if you read the complaint that they show it gives the URLs there ^^

But, yeah, I dislike how the DMCA allows this. =/

You can show somebody doing/buying drugs on TV. Which tells people how to get them etc. But you can't do the same thing online.

Sucks eh?

...Yeah, really sucks...

Kristian Hermansen
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