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From: support at mmicman.com (Edward W. Ray) Subject: Microsoft Outlines New Initiatives in Ongoing Security Efforts To Help Customers > -- Updates to Microsoft(R) Windows(R) XP and Windows Server(TM) > 2003 with new safety technologies that will make Windows more > resistant to attack even if patches do not yet exist or have > not been installed I suppose they are going to try to put buffer overflow protections for the various services that run as "SYSTEM" (otherwise known as root access to the Linux/Unix world) privileges. Nice thought if it is true, but that kernel is so F!*KED I cannot see how they could implement it. Edward W. Ray SANS GCIA. GCIH