full-disclosure - Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for good security

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Message-ID: <01b901c39fe6$cfedf9c0$1214dd80@mpb2001>
From: exibar at thelair.com (Exibar)
Subject: Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for good security

What an idiot....

   Take the loveletter worm, when it was first released even if you had a
100% up to date AntiVirus software program, you would still get hit within
the first 8 hours.... slammer, blaster, etc all the same thing.    The took
advantage of holes in the OPERATING SYSTEM!!!!

   Yes we have ways of updating our VirusSoftware that works very very well,
McAfee has E-Policy Orchstrator, which I swear by.

  I'm not going to go on, but if Windows was as secure as Bill Gates and
company says it is, why was blaster, slammer, codered etc even an issue?

   Exibar


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Jeremiah Cornelius" <jeremiah@....net>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Friday, October 31, 2003 1:32 PM
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for good
security


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> FLAME ON!
>
> http://www.itbusiness.ca/index.asp?theaction=61&sid=53897
>
> "But there are two other techniques: one is called firewalling and the
other
> is called keeping the software up to date. None of these problems (viruses
> and worms) happened to people who did either one of those things. If you
had
> your firewall set up the right way - and when I say firewall I include
> scanning e-mail and scanning file transfer -- you wouldn't have had a
> problem. But did we have the tools that made that easy and automatic and
that
> you could really audit that you had done it? No. Microsoft in particular
and
> the industry in general didn't have it."
>
> "The second is just the updating thing. Anybody who kept their software up
to
> date didn't run into any of those problems, because the fixes preceded the
> exploit. Now the times between when the vulnerability was published and
when
> somebody has exploited it, those have been going down, but in every case
at
> this stage we've had the fix out before the exploit. So next is making it
> easy to do the updating, not for general features but just for the very
few
> critical security things, and then reducing the size of those patches, and
> reducing the frequency of the patches, which gets you back to the code
> quality issues. We have to bring these things to bear, and the very
dramatic
> things that we can do in the short term have to do with the firewalls and
the
> updating infrastructure. "
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