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From: Valdis.Kletnieks at (
Subject: Gates: 'You don't need perfect code' for good security 

On Mon, 03 Nov 2003 12:23:06 +1300, Nick FitzGerald <>  said:

> lots of exploits "abstracted" from those APIs.  For example, an awful 
> lot of IE vulns can only be easily (and thus "usefully") leveraged 
> because it is (well, was -- this is a Win9x example) easy to assume 
> that any kind of program code that could be dropped into 
> c:\windows\start menu\programs\startup would be run next startup.  
> Finding the actual location of the startup folder was beyond the 
> exploit because it was running in an environment that could not query 
> the registry or other system APIs that would reveal the location.

And for bonus points, explain how you fix the scheme so the poor sysadmin who
has to run stuff at startup is able to find the folder, but an exploit running
with 'administrator' or 'system' can't find it?

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