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From: michael at (Michael Gale)
Subject: automated vulnerability testing

Oh.. I like this thread. I am not a programmer but would like to learn
and when I want to do something I want to be the best at it and do it
the right way. 

The right being security first and reliability / speed second.

So C programming feels like a good challenge.


On Sat, 29 Nov 2003 15:11:02 -0500
"Bill Royds" <> wrote:

> Only a good programmer can write safe C.
> Most programmers are not good programmers.
> Therefore  most C code is not safe and should not be trusted.
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> [] On Behalf Of Peter
> Moody Sent: November 29, 2003 12:52 PM
> To:
> Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] automated vulnerability testing
> > your programmer must be perfect to guarantee security. C is best
> > used for low level programming where one needs to be close to the
> > hardware(programming in the small). It is not good for large
> > applications where modularity and flexibility are more important (
> > programming in the large).
> and for large applications where the programmer needs to be close to
> the hardware (programming in the?).  like the 3.5 million lines of C
> code that comprise the linux kernel...
> I'm sick of lazy programmers who keep complaining how C doesn't hold
> your hand VB or some crap.  The language does not the coder make.  A
> good programmer will be able to make lisp, C, smalltalk (etc. etc.) do
> what they need it to.
> -- 
> Peter Moody                             <>
> Information Security Administrator      831/459.5409
> Communications and Technology Services. UC, Santa Cruz.
> :wq
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