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From: John.Airey at rnib.org.uk (John.Airey@...b.org.uk)
Subject: A new TCP/IP blind data injection technique
	?

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Michael Gale [mailto:michael@...esuperman.com]
> Sent: 15 December 2003 18:47
> To: Michal Zalewski
> Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] A new TCP/IP blind data injection
> technique?
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 	I misunderstood ... from my knowledge the BorderWare 
> Firewall drops all
> fragmented packets and there is NO option to change this.
> 
> You can change the MTU size on the interfaces which should 
> allow you to
> correct any problems.
> 
> I am not sure about Cisco Pix :(
> 
> I have never found a problem with any services running behind the
> firewall or connecting to any services out side the firewall with the
> settings to drop all fragmented packets.
> 
> Now according to your injection vulnerability even if a firewall
> recreated all the packets before sending it to the end client the
> vulnerability could still occur unless the firewall did some 
> strong form
> of application level filtering and then some how found out that one
> piece of data did not belong.
> 
> So with all this said how is it unwise not to drop fragmented packets
> and not necessary ?
> 
> Michael.
> 
> 
The Cisco Pix has an IP fragment database. 

According to Cisco Documentation "The fragment command provides additional
management of packet fragmentation and improves compatibility with NFS." 

The command "show fragment" gives output like this:

Interface: outside
    Size: 200, Chain: 24, Timeout: 5
    Queue: 0, Assemble: 0, Fail: 0, Overflow: 0
Interface: inside
    Size: 200, Chain: 24, Timeout: 5
    Queue: 0, Assemble: 0, Fail: 0, Overflow: 0

Dropping fragments is only a bad idea if you also drop all ICMP packets. The
bare minimum is to allow in "echo-reply", "source-quench", "unreachable" and
"time-exceeded", although you could probably survive without the first one
if you don't mind being unable to check connectivity using ping.

Basically, receiving fragments may be a sign that your MTU setting is too
small. The ICMP packets that you would also receive in this instance can be
used by the TCP/IP stacks to  adjust the packet size at each end. Having
never been able to use NFS across a Pix Firewall, I have no idea how these
settings help with NFS.

- 
John Airey, BSc (Jt Hons), CNA, RHCE
Internet systems support officer, ITCSD, Royal National Institute of the
Blind,
Bakewell Road, Peterborough PE2 6XU,
Tel.: +44 (0) 1733 375299 Fax: +44 (0) 1733 370848 John.Airey@...b.org.uk 

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