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From: pwicks at oxygen.com (James Patterson Wicks)
Subject: Anti-MS drivel

Microsoft has competition.  Apple, Sun, Red Hat . . .

Problem is Apple is full of idiots who feature style over substance.
The system has to look better than it performs.  They want people to pay
a premium to make it seem that their products are for the elite only.
The OS is more stable than Microsoft, but their elitist attitude will
always keep them at 5% market share.

Sun's Java should be the market leader, but they don't have the cash to
take on the 800 pound gorilla that is Microsoft.  Java is on running
Spirit, the rover that is on Mars right now.  Imagine if Spirit had a
Microsoft OS running it.  Right after touchdown on Mars, you see the
first image of the landscape and then . . . .  BLUE SCREEN OF DEATH!!
Sorry, but the guy from the Help Desk can't just stop by and reboot it
this time.  Even NASA is not crazy enough to trust a billion dollar
project to a Microsoft OS.

Linux is just not ready for prime time.  By prime time I mean on the
homes of the American public.  Regular home consumers don't want to have
to learn a new language to use e-mail or play games.  They want to be
able to update a security hole without having to compile something.
Linux needs an interface like OS X and a software library to back it for
"normal" people to be interested.  

Business on the other hand is moving slowly to Linux.  Why slowly?  Who
do you sue when your business is hacked by someone who planted a
backdoor in the Linux kernel?  Won't happen you say?  Let's see, almost
happened once already . . . 

Linux kernel suffers Trojan horse hack -
http://www.silicon.com/software/os/0,39024651,39116796,00.htm

Microsoft threw an incomplete, insecure computer solution at an eager
market for a low price, so home users and businesses lapped it up.  Ever
since Windows 95, home computing and Microsoft are nearly joined at the
hip.  It will take time to break Microsoft's nine-year hold, but it's
going to take more than OS X and the current Linux offerings to do it.




-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Edward W.
Ray
Sent: Saturday, January 17, 2004 12:38 PM
To: 'Mary Landesman'; 'David F. Skoll'; tlarholm@...x.com
Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com;
full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Anti-MS drivel

Mary:

Cisco at least has competition.  Juniper Networks has about a 25% share
of
the router market, which keeps Cisco honest.  Microsoft has almost
market
penetration at the desktop for both the home and business.  IMHO, they
deserve all the anti-MS drivel people can dish out.  I will tire of it
when
I don't have to spend an hour each month clearing my firewall logs of
attempted Code Red and Nimda infection attempts

Edward W. Ray  

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Mary
Landesman
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 10:55 AM
To: David F. Skoll; tlarholm@...x.com
Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com;
full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day,
help
the cause

That's pretty much like teaching your kids to never talk to strangers,
or
never visit the "bad" part of town. Fact is, most crimes are committed
by
people we know. Microsoft is often victimized, mainly because they are
so
ubiquitous. Cisco is running a poll right now to see which of the 17
critical patches are most important to users, because they only have the
manpower to fix 10 of them. Should we all stop using Cisco products?

This anti-MS drivel is so tiresome.

-- Mary

----- Original Message -----
From: "David F. Skoll" <dfs@...ringpenguin.com>
To: <tlarholm@...x.com>
Cc: <bugtraq@...urityfocus.com>; <ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com>;
<full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Thursday, January 15, 2004 12:06 PM
Subject: [Full-Disclosure] Re: January 15 is Personal Firewall Day, help
the
cause


On Wed, 14 Jan 2004 tlarholm@...x.com wrote:

> I just wanted to remind everybody that tomorrow is Personal Firewall
Day.
> http://www.personalfirewallday.org/

That Web site is utterly disingenuous.  Rather than giving low-value
information, how about high-value information that actually protects
people:

1) Don't use Windows.
2) Don't use Outlook.

Our company uses neither Windows nor Outlook, and although we do have a
firewall, we do not use anti-virus software.

Of course, the sponsors of the site (Microsoft and a bunch of anti-virus
vendors) can hardly see it as being in their interest to actually create
a secure computing environment.

Regards,

David.

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