From: ngiles at hushmail.com (mike king)
Subject: Script Kiddies

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I typically don’t respond to posts, but I will say that you basically
hit the nail on the head security has and is starting to become the next
level of mcse's. I don’t proclaim to be any sort of hacker although I
am lumped into this category by the nature of my job. I help secure networks
and make it so people can do their jobs in the online world.

just an avg guy

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:23:38 -0800 Uncle Scrotora Balzac <scrotora@...hmail.com>
wrote:
>
>I love hearing security people talk about script kiddies. It's the
>funniest
>thing to see them walking around with their chests pushed out like
>peacocks,
> as they scoff the silly little kiddy.
>
>Funny because 99.9 percent of the people using the term so loosely
>have
>no idea how to *really* find vulnerabilities in systems, compromise,

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>gain control, hide their presence, then use it for whatever they
>want.
>Hell, a significant percent of those "security [engineers/professionals/consultants/researchers]"
>(circle one) have trouble compiling exploits (if they even know
>where
>to find them in the first place), much less figure out offsets,
>return
>addresses, etc.. The same exploits those "kiddies" use!! What these
>people
>don't realize is that the "kiddies" they so affectionately refer
>to have
>learned this practice by reading comments, headers, and cryptic
>help
>messages in code and scripts. Not by completely out-of-touch and
>wickedly
>outdated texts like their CISSP study guides, vendor whitepapers,
> and
>books by aging whitehat hackers. Irony.
>
>But like I said, this practice is funny, not annoying. It's funny
>because
>of the false sense of superiority these people get from referring
>to
>95%+ of the hacking community as kiddies. It's funny because of
>how much
>they *really* don't know - and advertise the fact with huge neon
>signs
>by getting on lists like this and asking for things like SSH exploit
>code so they can "learn how exploits work!" (By the way, to the
>whitehat
>who was arguing with everyone after getting char grilled flamed
>for this
>- - if you want to learn how exploits work, there's about 1000 of
>them
>at www.packetstormsecurity.com.) Funny every time a box on their
>network
>gets whacked, and they talk about the script kiddy that did it.
>How ironic
>is that, and what does it say about them? But that's right, it's
>not
>their fault. Always someone else's, which makes me wonder why any
>of
>these people have jobs in the first place. I'm glad they can't hear
>themselves.
>Then they might stop.
>
>
>- ---
>"...we have smuggled a word into the dictionary which ought not
>to be
>there at all--Self-Sacrifice. It describes a thing which does not
>exist...
>We ignore and never mention the Sole Impulse which dictates and
>compels
>a man's every act: the imperious necessity of securing his own approval,

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> in every emergency and at all costs." - Samuel L. Clemens
>
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