full-disclosure - Re: OT: Re: Knocking Microsoft

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Message-ID: <20040228032207.GA1061@hyper>
From: gadgeteer at elegantinnovations.org (gadgeteer@...gantinnovations.org)
Subject: Re: OT: Re: Knocking Microsoft

On Fri, Feb 27, 2004 at 09:24:29PM -0500, Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu) wrote:
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 18:48:10 MST, gadgeteer@...gantinnovations.org  said:
> > jeremy s. anderson needs a history lesson.
> > Google "sandoz"+"lsd"
> 
> It's not about invention, it's about popularization. Both LSD and Unix
> certainly received a boost in popularity via Berkeley. Where would either one
> be without it?

This is West Coast centric.  Harvard was the East Coast.  Though it must 
be pointed out that the East Coast scene was much more intent upon belly 
button lint.  As such the outgrowth of pop culture from the West Coast 
has had a much larger impact.

> Similarly, Microsoft didn't invent the idea of vulnerable computing, they
> just made it ubiquitous. (They did however invent the new meaning of
> the term "innovate" ;)

innovate == buy/steal/embrace-extend cool technology, biz model, or 
  what-have-you and claim it for your own

eg
 ms-dos
 gui desktop
 hotmail
 internel explorer
 outlook express
 internet
 wireless networking
 neighborhood network
 the word "windows"
 the word "word"
 the word "office"
 trusted computing
 [...]
-- 
Chief Gadgeteer
Elegant Innovations