From: frankdewit at home.nl (Frank de Wit)
Subject: NEVER open attachments

you win, happy now?
but i'll bite in this one ;-)
I follow this list and the ones before this one @securityfocus since about
?6 yrs? daily, and bugtraq before that etc
the only ones posting messages as attachments here are: krafft, knobbe,
stover and a handfull more
(max 1% of all the messages here and elsewhere...?)
so please make it easy on everyone and just don't do it; i don't like to
open attachments and i don't like to scroll
i want to see&read it all in a few seconds...
and:
no one only follows fulldisclosure alone; i subscribe to (let's count) 26
other sec-lists...
that makes it very difficult to miss something
the shit is that i get redhat vuln-mails about 4 times hahaha
we both made our point clear i think, let's stop this thread and read things
that really matter !
cheers!
Frank

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Etaoin Shrdlu" <shrdlu@...ddrop.org>
To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 3:09 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments


> Frank de Wit wrote:
> >
> > just ignore a major part of the world who don't use your mailer...
> > and they will ignore your emails... simple
> > just ask yourself what is more important to you
> > you emailing, or people reading your emails ;-)
>
> Well, now, this is this a pissing contest, or an IQ test? Either way, you
> are going to lose.
>
> It might be true, in some sort of corporate structure, that using Outlook
> as a mailreader holds some sort of majority. However, on this list, or any
> security list, using such a creature is a fool's errand. First of all, if
> someone posts here, and signs a message, it's more likely that YOU (i.e.
> Frank de Wit & Co) need to read what "they've* said. Do folk posting
> security related messages care whether or not people who insist on using
> the virus vector from Redmond (aka Outlook) can read those posts? My guess
> would be no, not at all.
>
> I realize that english is not your first language, I saw the smiley, but
> you still need to get a clue. I don't personally sign messages, because
I'm
> not making any statements here that you need to check on. If something
> shows up from Redhat, or Suse, or Cisco, and it's a security warning about
> something you need to patch, it's going to be signed. If you miss it,
tough
> for you. Do they care? Nope. The messages is a courtesy from them (and we
> appreciate it). It's important that it be verified, hence it is signed,
and
> in a manner appropriate for most of us.
>
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Nico Golde" <nion@....net>
> > To: <full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com>
> > Sent: Saturday, March 20, 2004 11:56 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] NEVER open attachments
> >
> > i think the philosophy of never open attachments is only true if your
mailer
> > sucks.
> > regards nico
>
> While this is true (and it is), more importantly, it is foolish to read a
> mailing list populated by such a wide range of security folk, and expect
> *them* to change their mailing agents to please the "less educated" (or
> perhaps I should say "less aware of security") newcomers. Just because
(for
> example) someone like Paul Schmehl makes posts about securing Windows (and
> I believe that he is successful in his methodology), doesn't meant that
> he's foolish enough to read this list using Outlook. In fact, I notice
he's
> on MacOS X (at least lately), which makes sense to me (best of both
worlds,
> if you must live in an environment that has to cooperate with MS).
>
> If you're here, and you're new (and you've read this far), remember that
> the old adage of lurking for a while, before posting, holds true here as
> well as anywhere else.
>
> --
> Because the innovator has for enemies all those who have
> done well under the old conditions, and lukewarm defenders
> in those who may do well under the new.
>         Niccolo Machiavelli, _The Prince_, Chapter VI
>
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