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From: michael.gale at bluesuperman.com (Michael Gale)
Subject: FD should block attachments

Troll ... 

I like how you are able to reply with such an educated answer. Of course
you are right, I only wish more people were able to express them selves
with such grace and intelligence as you are able to do.

Now since you have trouble reading, which must be the case since you
miss all the points of my two e-mails.

I did not say we should filter the content of the list, in fact my first
e-mail stated that. I only suggested we stop sending attachments to save
bandwidth, bandwidth cost and to help put a end to virus e-mails.

It is ok that you missed it -- I must of been typing in Troll.

I like how you are one of those open minded people who can discuss new
topics and idea's.

Troll-ya-later

Michael.


On Sun, 4 Apr 2004 01:18:33 +1000
"Sean Crawford" <sean01@...net.com.au> wrote:

> Hi list first up..
> 
> Now again my 2 bits worth..
> 
> This is a forum called 'Full Disclosure'..
> That's what it is.....not filtered.
> People can share what ever the hell they want be that a virus..
> 
> Semantics on filtering has no place here as that's your own security
> issue as this is a non-moderated forum....
> 
> Your a troll in the full sense...maximum bight's for little effort.
> 
> If your mail server is so secure why would you care?...............
> 
> If you want to host files for download....good on you!...
> 
> Waste of bandwidth.................well what a joke to even mention
> that....
> 
> Those that host this list could say the whole hosting procedure is a
> waste no matter the content...
> 
> Gawd post's like yours piss me off................go drown Troll...
> 
> This whole thread is a waste.
> 
> Sorry........... but this stuff pisses me off..............
> 
> I subscribe to this list for it's content..........not for it's
> filtering value..
> 
> Thankyou,....
> 
> Sean..\\PS...I so hope FD don't be come some lame arse filtered
> list....Thankyou hoster's
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
> [mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com]On Behalf Of Michael
> Gale Sent: Saturday, 3 April 2004 9:29 AM
> To: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] FD should block attachments
> 
> 
> Hello,
> 
> 	As I have read all the replies below I feel I should respond.
> 	First
> of all I host my own domain which includes my own web, mail and ftp
> servers.
> 
> At the moment my mail server is a postfix server with amavisd-new,
> clamAV and bogofilter.
> 
> So all attachments get filtered - so client side filtering is NOT a
> problem or issue.
> 
> The point -- this list is supposed to be for security professionals
> and not another bugtrag one. As security professionals, we should be
> setting examples.
> 
> SMTP was not designed to transfer files, and think of the wasted
> bandwidth. I am lucky and pay for bandwidth at a flat rate and since
> my server is only my network my client downloads the message at 10MB
> second.
> 
> The point -- how many people are on this list ? Lets say 10,000 --
> some one sends a e-mail to the list containing a 1MB attachment. We
> just wasted / costs lists.netsys.com 10GB of transfer. Now lets those
> 10,000 list subscribers, 50% do not care about the attachment and
> delete it, but the other 5,000 each response with their 1MB
> attachment.
> 
> Now think about where you work -- we have a internal exchange server
> and every day are trying to convienence people to post links to files
> on the Intranet instead of attaching them --- why ? because why send
> 100 people the same attachment which they will all most likely save
> forever in the mailbox. (Now I know Exchange is supposed to try and do
> single message store)
> 
> Look at all the bandwidth we wast, the money we cost other people and
> the examples we set. Posting a link to a file is much better way --
> only those who want to see the attachment will download it.
> 
> IRC servers have this type of setup I believe -- maybe the FD could
> setup a HTTP server where list subscribers could post files -- have a
> cron to auto delete any file older then 30 days or less.
> 
> Michael.
> 
> On Mon, 29 Mar 2004 02:40:00 -0700
> Michael Gale <michael.gale@...esuperman.com> wrote:
> 
> > Hello,
> >
> > 	Being a member of this I do not mind the carrying on of list
> > members. I usually enjoy reading the banter and I do not care about
> > the"noise" ratio.
> >
> > What is annoying is the amount of viruses or waste of my bandwidth
> > attachments that come from this list.
> >
> > I think FD should change their policy and block all attachments,
> > except maybe plain text file's.
> >
> > Most people on this list are smart enough that exe's, zip and pif
> > attachments do not need to be send, I am tired of the excuses:
> >
> > I had a virus
> > I did not know what the file was
> > ...
> > ...
> >
> > FD should block attachments except for plain text. People can post
> > links to web pages or what ever that way only people who want to see
> > the attachment would get it, plus it would save on your bandwidth.
> >
> > Michael.
> >
> > --
> > Hand over the Slackware CD's and back AWAY from the computer, your
> > geek rights have been revoked !!!
> >
> > Michael Gale
> > Slackware user :)
> > Bluesuperman.com
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> > Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
> 
> 
> --
> Hand over the Slackware CD's and back AWAY from the computer, your
> geek rights have been revoked !!!
> 
> Michael Gale
> Slackware user :)
> Bluesuperman.com
> 
> _______________________________________________
> Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.
> Charter: http://lists.netsys.com/full-disclosure-charter.html
> 
> 
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> 


-- 
Hand over the Slackware CD's and back AWAY from the computer, your geek
rights have been revoked !!!

Michael Gale
Slackware user :)
Bluesuperman.com 


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