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From: nodialtone at comcast.net (Byron Copeland)
Subject: was Core Internet Vulnerable - News at 11:00
	-= Your message to Full-Disclosure awaits moderator approval

heh,

I know, Sucks.  I've been moderated on occasion myself a couple of times
on this 'non-moderated list'.

Does it now mean FULL-DISCLOSURE = 'Post at your own risk?'  it's
getting like the security-basics or bug-traq list, or anything else
SECURITY-FOCUS IS_NOT_CONCENTRATING_ON' LIST.  Anything you post there
gets 5 days of scrutiny because it isn't politically correct to post
expert opinions or comments to such f'd up lists.

Try to send people to the bank to buy a clue or research the problem and
then they say isn't appropriate for this forums or the moderators answer
to is that the reply is:
tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

break, toooooooooooooooooooooooooooo, long.   

I could add more bytes, then this would be censored as well.

Ok, Ok, solution?

-b


On Tue, 2004-04-20 at 21:45, Steve Menard wrote:
> Moderation of an un-moderated list at it's best
> on an valid subject no less ....
> I guess it's my bad as its not named early disclosure
> 
> So, malware below 20k ........ Ca CHING
> Bet this fits whithin the 20K  ;-)
> and takes what xx minutes to make it to the last victim
> 
> At 16:48 AST [1548EST]  
> I sent David Ahmed's copy of [NISCC Vulnerability Advisory 236929: 
> Vulnerability Issues in TCP] forwarded from the UK
>  In reply to
> 
> Crist J. Clark wrote:
> 
> >Does anyone know WTF they are trying to say in this AP article,
> >"Core Internet Technology Is Vulnerable,"
> >
> >  http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=562&ncid=738&e=1&u=/ap/20040420/ap_on_hi_te/internet_threat
> >
> >It sounds like they are talking about a sequence number guessing
> >attack on TCP BGP sessions? Sequence number prediction isn't really
> >a new attack, but the story says,
> >
> >  "Experts previously maintained such attacks could take between
> >   four years and 142 years to succeed because they require guessing
> >   a rotating number from roughly 4 billion possible combinations.
> >   Watson said he can guess the proper number with as few as four
> >   attempts, which can be accomplished within seconds."
> >
> >Hmmm... Four attempts... And the story makes it sound like a 
> >cross-platform attack, not a bug in a particular OS's ISN generation.
> >FUD or is there something here?
> >  
> >
> 
> I found this [below] in my in basket
> Luckily I sent Christ the email OFF_LINE
> smenard
> 
> PS BONUS POINTS:  Dr Phil can't participate
> can any one tell me why I feel like swearing?
> full disclosure.....................Limited of course ;-)
> 
> Your mail to 'Full-Disclosure' with the subject
> 
>     Re: [Full-Disclosure] Core Internet Vulnerable - News at 11:00
> 
> Is being held until the list moderator can review it for approval.
> 
> The reason it is being held:
> 
>     Message body is too big: 46716 bytes but there's a limit of 20 KB
> 
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