full-disclosure - A rather newbie question

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From: tremaine.lea at sjrb.ca (Tremaine Lea)
Subject: A rather newbie question

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Hane [mailto:dlhane@...global.net] 
> Sent: Monday, May 03, 2004 1:35 PM
> To: Harlan Carvey; Schmidt, Michael R.; 'Ethan Vaughn'; 
> full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] A rather newbie question

<snippage>

> While I think you have a point I also think Ethan has one 
> too. It is important to remember that users are generally 
> clueless and/or unconcerned with security. Of course I'm 
> grossly generalizing but I think you get my point. 
> Keeping in mind that the weakest link can be the average user 
> is always a good idea. And who would argue with idiot 
> proofing any system, computer or otherwise?
> 
> So I think a little harmless joking amongst ourselves isn't 
> necessarily all bad :-) After all, how many ID10T errors have 
> you fixed in the last week ;-P

The question is, how harmless is the joking, really?  In all fairness to
users, they may have a great deal of inexperience with our specialty... But
frankly, I also can't practice medicine, or law, or fix more than a very
general problem with a car.... This makes me inexperienced or ignorant (in
the dictionary sense) but hardly makes me stupid.

We live in a very specialized world, and it is the technical nature of
things that a degree of specialization is required in order to competently
and effectively carry out a designated task.

Tremaine