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From: sforrest at (Scott Forrest)
Subject: New therad: sasser, costs, support etcalltogether

Irregardless of blame in relation to Point #1, the matter is moot.
If not for the "holes" in all Software there would be a lot less need
for IT staff and network support - namely us. I applaud their attempts
to get it right and am thrilled that they don't. Their mistakes provide
more jobs than Bush tax cuts ever have or will. :)

Scott Forrest
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-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Chris Locke
Sent: Friday, May 14, 2004 2:53 PM
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] New therad: sasser, costs, support

I agree highly with point's 2 and 3 but not so much with point 1. If MS
is wrong by releasing buggy software then so is Sun, Ibm, Cisco, Every
Linux vendor....hell anybody who has ever written a piece of software.
Now I am not trying to flame, and I am not a MS fan at all but lataly I
have been getting sick of all the finger pointing being done to them.
Did everybody flame Linus over all the Linux kernel vulnerabilities over
the last few months? fuck no...

Everybody has there opinions on each of the os's and I respect all of
you, but let's be reasonable about it. MS patched the vulnerability
before it was exploited. What the fuck else do we want? Bill Gates to
personally fly out and patch our systems for us?

Sorry for the rant guys...

Chris Locke

On Fri, 2004-05-14 at 10:27, Radule Soskic wrote:
> I can't post this to all the threads that I would like to, so I'm 
> opening a new one.
> Follow this:
> 1. MS is wrongdoing by releasing (and charging for use of) software 
> that has bugs in it. Users of such software have losses in time/money 
> by trying to keep up with applying pathches, or just by trying to keep

> the uptime high.
> 2. Admins are wrongdoing by not applying patches to the systems they 
> maintain. There are losses tied to such misspractice, too.
> 3. Worm authors are wrongdoing by writing software that propagate 
> through the networks by exploiting all of the above. Again, the losses

> occur in time/money spent to remove the worms from the systems
> It is obvious that almost every legal system in the world treats #3 as

> crime, while #2 and #1 are broadly tolerated. Noone here is against 
> the book of law, but it just seems to be in contrast to the natural 
> and intuitive feeling of justice that majority of people might have 
> regarding the issues like these. See - only one of the three 
> wrongdoers is being punished.
> Is it right? Or - is it wrong? 
> BTW, I have a funny feeling that damages/losses caused by #3 might 
> very often be far less than the ones caused by #2 and #1.
> Am I alone?
> cikasole
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