From: chows at ozemail.com.au (Gregh)
Subject: Support the Sasser-author fund started

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From: "Byron L. Sonne" <blsonne@...ers.com>
To: "Gregh" <chows@...mail.com.au>
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Sent: Monday, May 17, 2004 11:13 PM
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> >My point is, then, that as we diversify, users are going to go into more
> >unfamiliar territory, cause more problems and have less people available
for
> >a low fee to fix them. What then, for the computer industry? Are we ALL
> >going to have to know every brand of OS that runs on a PC and products
that
> >run on that OS and how to fix it's problems? There may be quite a few
gifted
> >people who can do that right now. As we get used to the proliferation of
> >different OS's (if that happens), I am of the belief that there will be
more
> >people with more problems and less people capable of fixing them.
> >
> >
> 'Fuck em then. At some point, in many areas of life, we have to
> rediscover the technique of letting people be responsible for
> themselves.

Interesting idea. So you actually CONFIRM that you would prefer to see
businesses suffer MORE if we diversify OSs than they suffer now?

What you seem to misunderstand is that there are people who are BRILLIANT
who make their money using a computer as a "sometimes tool" and are not
interested in them, otherwise. They can make millions of bucks a year at
what they do and still not need a computer very much at all in that.
However, at times they NEED to use a computer and they know how to do the
task they are about to do in order to earn that money. They dont know nor
NEED to know more than that. They are, then, computer illiterates for the
most part and they WILL fall for some of the crap that comes out. This isnt
because they are idiots. If they were idiots, it is unlikely they would be
the millionaires they are and in demand in a high paying income job.

> Of course we should be helping people and providing
> assistance; community is a very important ideal. Compassion is wise. But
> there needs to be a threshold set such that when you cross it is evident
> to all you are abusing the privilege. As long as poverty or disability

Again, you dont understand. Some people arent abusing a thing. They just
dont know any better and they have no desire to know more than what they do.
This is why you will ALWAYS need "a computer person".

> isn't an issue/cause, if a person is spreading themselves so thin that
> they can't master whatever tasks they arbitrarily decide is worth their
> time, then fuck 'em.

I know a millionaire. He started his business from nothing in his own house
while being supported by the Red Cross (they paid his rent and fed his
kids). He now gives them a substantial part of his money per year and doesnt
forget that support. He knows next to nothing about computers, not even how
to reply to an email but he knows hot to present a Powerpoint presentation
on his computer after turning it on and that is it. He doesnt even know how
to put the presentation on his hard disk. He is still so damned intelligent
that he made himself a millionaire from his business doing something no-one
else in the world did at the time.

He doesnt NEED to nor WANT to master more than he does now and in fact
doesnt have the time. He flies overseas for 6 weeks at a time, comes back
for a week and prepares more work and is off overseas again from country to
country, stopping in some for a few hours, some overnight.

If you cant see that not EVERYONE needs to know computer stuff, arent idiots
etc and needs someone like us, then that is YOUR problem because there will
ALWAYS be such people. I dont know how to tune my car but I dont make money
out of needing to know that, too. Should the mechanic tell me "Stuff you,
you only know how to change the plugs, oil filter and brakes so if you dont
know the rest, you are an idiot. Get out of here!" because I make money with
computers?

> They need to adjust their priorities. Stop watching
> so much damn TV, hanging out at the mall or working too many hours

You dont understand the real world, unfortunately.

> trying to become rich. Sit down, shut up, and fucking learn. Of course,
> I'm preaching to the choir here. It's very, very hard to help people

Nope. You are grandstanding, not preaching to anyone who knows that not
everyone gives a shit about computers but are intelligent anyway.

The rest I decided to snip rather than read.

I am sorry to say you are demonstrating an all too common behaviour amongst
I.T. people. A lot of us seem to think our shit doesn't stink, we are so
SMART and better than others because we know about computer related stuff
then stand around trying to make OURS look bigger than OTHER I.T. people's
things because being top of the heap in what we see, in our blinkered way,
as being important is MORE important. Time to wake up and realise like any
other job, this is a job. Sure we may LOVE the job and see it as fun more
than a job but it doesn't make us better than others. Your way of viewing
things makes I.T. people seem a lot more stupid and blinkered, to be honest.

Greg.

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