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Message-ID: <200406172150.i5HLolUC002103@turing-police.cc.vt.edu>
From: Valdis.Kletnieks at vt.edu (Valdis.Kletnieks@...edu)
Subject: MS Anti Virus? 

On Thu, 17 Jun 2004 17:37:11 EDT, Mohit Muthanna said:
> > You really expect us to believe that the M$ AV team won't leverage off the
> > fact that they could know about that API, and all the others in Windows?
> 
> in addition, given that they have the sources to their own OS, i doubt
> they really have to do much manual reversing... i'm sure the debugging
> tools they have developed over the years would quite easily aid them
> in determining precisely what the viruses do and how they do it.

No... you're still not getting it.  There's no reverse engineering involved. ;)

Let's pop over to http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/index.html

Hey look.. http://www.eeye.com/html/research/upcoming/20031007.html is
194 days overdue..  Now, your AV software doesn't have to have *ANY*
reverse engineering for the virus if the operating system and/or AV updates
is whispering in its ear "Anything that does *this* is malware exploiting 20031007".

And at that point, there's no reason to actually ship a *patch*, you just ship
a data file that tells *your* AV that "20031007 exploits look like this" - at which
point you can presumably trap 100% of exploits, and the competition has to
reverse engineer each one... ;)

"Systems protected with M$ AV were 100% safe, while 30% of Brand X users
got whacked while their teams were busy reverse engineering"...  Hard to argue
with THAT sales pitch.. ;)
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