full-disclosure - Misinformation on Scob/MSJect Corrected

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Message-ID: <FCAD9F541A8E8A44881527A6792F892C293B61@owa.eeye.com>
From: dcopley at eEye.com (Drew Copley)
Subject: Misinformation on Scob/MSJect Corrected

 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Ron DuFresne [mailto:dufresne@...ternet.com] 
> Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 9:11 AM
> To: Drew Copley
> Cc: bugtraq@...urityfocus.com; 
> ntbugtraq@...tserv.ntbugtraq.com; Full Disclosure
> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Misinformation on Scob/MSJect Corrected
> 
> 
> 	[snip]
> 
> > The original published paper by Jelmer:
> > http://seclists.org/lists/fulldisclosure/2003/Aug/1703.html
> >
> > For this "previously unknown vulnerability". It has been
> > known for ten months.
> >
> > To be fair, I think their tech writers and marketers got
> > confused in transmission from their IE security guys. It
> > is extremely confusing.
> >
> 
> Or it could be something a tad more deceptive from the 
> marketing end of
> M$.  

Could be. I just don't know. 

I am glad I am merciful in judging people, because I did the
same kind of thing here... so I would be a nasty hypocrite,
if I judged them more harshly.

But, the truth is the issue is confusing. There are variants,
there are conflicting versions and stories.

Not that there is any excuse for the adodb issue - and other
open bugs of the kind - to not be fixed. 

It is absurd. 

It is okay to make mistakes, make a ton of mistakes, even,
just fix them. 

Appearances do look like they are not fixing these issues, like
the adodb one, for money. If that is the case, that is atrocious.

All sorts of data are at risk there.



>Kinda like all the backpeddling that happened when the paper was
> released about the dependance upon a major single vendors SW 
> in corporate
> america and the world at large, that cost at least one well 
> known security
> pundit his job.  At that time those with a hand in the M$ 
> deep pockets did
> start to spin defensive lines around that major vendor and 
> it's products,
> if only to keep their hands in those pockets.  While this set of
> statements are purely my oppinion, I certainly do not doubt 
> that M$ might
> well be trying to fight the current rants against it's 
> 'efforts' with FUD,
> and in the mainstream media.  It's certainly easy enough to 
> later claim a
> fubar of hoof and mouth in an aftermath of 'rediscovery' of 
> what was know
> and what was not and what is new and what's been on a back burner for
> almost a full year.  and it certainly fits with their well 
> known marketing
> paradyme.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ron DuFresne
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
> 	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> 
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> 
>