From: James.Cupps at sappi.com (James.Cupps@...pi.com)
Subject: OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll

First of all this is off topic but I think that in this case I like it that
way. 

I like FD.

I like the fact that if you know what you are looking for you can preempt a
patch notification by days by watching this list.

I like being able to see emerging mindsets and strategies that I might have
to use or be prepared to defend against.

I like the snippets of usable code (rare though they are) that are often not
available elsewhere (you gotta like it if packetstorm and focus don't have
it).

I even like the occasional troll to break up the monotony (despite the fact
that many in my office think my humor is odd) 

How is that virus infection Billy? 

Uh oh fatal code snowcrash snip snip snip...

Ok back up. 

That said this discussion is becoming damaging. The fact is that both sides
are dogmatic. Neither will convince the other of the error of their ways.
Both have legitimate arguments. Both have facts to back their arguments and
both have lies to back their arguments. Both sides have perpetrated heinous
acts against the other and both have been victims of them. We aren't going
to solve them on this board. For that matter the only way that I think they
will ever be reduced is if the Palestinians manage to come up with their own
version of Gandhi or MLK. Otherwise they will both keep killing each other
for ever and blaming the other. 

So please stop this. It is only making people mad and not serving any good.

James Cupps
Information Security Officer


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From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
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Sent: Thursday, July 22, 2004 10:22 AM
To: Brad Griffin
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] OFF TOPIC: antisemitic troll


	[SNIP]

>
> Your comment that 'One man's opinion is hardly proof' seems a tad inane
> doesn't it? After all, the content of the site is *not* 'one man's
> opinion'. It is a collection of articles from mainstream media agencies,
> not one man's opinion. If you read the text you quoted, it says 'one
> man's effort', it says absolutely nothing about 'opinion'.
>


The choice of articles used on the site might actually be the basis of the
"One man's opinion" quote made in the prior post.  If the selected
articles are not equally balanced then indeed there is a single oppinion
being displayed.  But, certainly this is not an argument for this list.

I, like many others here have oppionins in this area, but, they do not
belong on this list.  So, if others wish to discuss these matters, let's
take it off list here, either to private e-mail or form a list
specifically for this kind of discussion and let those seeking security
information on OS/application/networking get back to their searches.

Thanks,


Ron DuFresne
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
	***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***

OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.

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