full-disclosure - Give XP SP2 a chance

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Message-ID: <9E97F0997FB84D42B221B9FB203EFA273F31@dc1ms2.msad.brookshires.net>
From: toddtowles at brookshires.com (Todd Towles)
Subject: Give XP SP2 a chance

I believe SP2 is a step in the right direction for MS. Do they have a
long way to go? Sure, but they are making headway.

As far as user problems, SP2 will break stuff - that was known. Partly
due to bad progamming on the app side. Since MS was holding the hand of
older apps, companies were lazy about writing secure code. MS fixed some
of those problems and now apps maker have to catch up. Fix it or else -
I am glad to see some are ahead of the security game and have their apps
fixed.

But we can't discount that some users will have problems because their
OS was already messed up. Some people never do fresh installs, leave old
DLLs, have spyware and a zillion other things wrong with their OS. It
happens, but be aware that the problems you have might not be directly
caused by SP2. Clean installs of SP2 are understood to have less
problems then upgrade, it has always been that way.

Don't test on a already broken system and then bitch about it. Same
thing applies to patch management. 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of ASB
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 9:34 AM
To: earlcw@...rship.ca
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Give XP SP2 a chance

Amen.

-ASB

On Thu, 12 Aug 2004 09:06:49 -0400, Charles Earl <earlcw@...rship.ca>
wrote:
> What is the problem with this service pack? Vendor applications suck, 
> all of them, they are a collection of bugs that limp along ill and 
> falling down constantly. If applications were horses we'd have shot
them long ago.
> 
> Every time the PC community takes a step forwards, the dead weight of 
> this application garbage keeps sinking us. I remember when the desktop

> started switching from win 98 to NT. Oh my god what a whine and snivel

> that was, every person complained that NT was crap because the 
> applications were failing. Why did they fail because they were BUGGY. 
> Those same applications crashed 98 all the time. But hey, that was ok,

> it was easy to push the reset and watch the computer to reboot versus 
> NT shutting down the bad application.
> 
> I installed XP service pack 2, sure the firewall was there did it 
> bitch sure it did but I left it up. Told it to allow the applications 
> that use the net to work. I've had no problems, sure I expect I will, 
> but I'm willing to point the finger where it belongs. Sloppy 
> programming. Sure XP has sloppy spots and yes Microsoft is finally 
> fixing a few of them. But so does every application out there. So 
> let's stop ripping up every attempt by Microsoft to fix their 
> mistakes. And lets start ripping up these vendor's who are so
unwilling to fix their own mistakes.
> 
> I'm tired of every new version of applications being more feature 
> ridden and buggier than the last.
>

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