Message-ID: <9E97F0997FB84D42B221B9FB203EFA273F70@dc1ms2.msad.brookshires.net>
From: toddtowles at brookshires.com (Todd Towles)
Subject: SP2 is killing me. Help?

 The people that should be blamed are the app makers. The beta has been
out for a long time and I am sure that companines were fully aware of
this update, the changes it makes, and how it will affect their
products. 

If a company failed to make their program work with the OS that is on
over 90% of the computers in the world, then that app company is to
blame for sure.

I am guessing that some in-house program will break. 

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From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of xtrecate
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2004 2:23 PM
To: 'Darren Reed'; xtrecate@...oo.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] SP2 is killing me. Help?

Thanks for the tips (esp. Darren, the article at crn.com provided just
the information I needed.).  I ran the applicable uninstall program from
within windows, and rolled back to sp1 (and all previously applied
updates) flawlessly.

I've read many people suggest that the service pack breaking things was
somehow my fault.  As you mention yourself, the problems are sporadic at
best, so statistically I'd assumed I'd be just fine.  This was not any
sort of mission critical machine, just a personal game box.

Ultimately what difference to an end user does it make if the
applications are broken by a service pack install or a virus?  I think
the update provides some long needed changes to the fundamental
operation of Windows, however if Microsoft knew of the potential
problems via RC2 testing, I'd have thought they'd do a little more to
rectify those problems than simply releasing and disclaiming.  Don't get
me wrong, I'm certainly not a member of the anti-ms bandwagon, but the
number of issues I was having was quite frustrating.

Thanks again for everyone's input.

-Lee 

-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of Darren Reed
Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 2004 10:29 PM
To: xtrecate@...oo.com
Cc: full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] SP2 is killing me. Help?

In some mail from xtrecate, sie said:
> 
> I made the mistake of installing SP2 last night, and I'm having some
serious
> issues.  Nearly every dialog box shows up blank, I am unable to set
options
> and/or access program functionality in practically every application 
> on
this
> machine.

Windows XP SP2 has got to be up there with Windows NT 4.0 service pack 2
in terms of crap updates, possibly even worse.  Maybe M$ are trying to
push everyone away from Windows ?

If I recall correctly, NT4sp3 was not long after NT4sp2.

I wonder if we can expect an XPsp3 "soon" that deals with all the crap
that XPsp2 brings upon us.

> Apparently it saved everything I need for a rollback, so I'm really
looking
> forward to doing that.  The catch:  The 'Add or Remove Programs' 
> feature
no
> longer works.  The window appears, but is blank.
> 
> Does anyone know of an alternate way to initiate a sp2 rollback?

Have a read of this:
http://www.crn.com/sections/breakingnews/breakingnews.jhtml?articleId=23
9050
71

Darren

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