Message-ID: <9E97F0997FB84D42B221B9FB203EFA273FA3@dc1ms2.msad.brookshires.net>
From: toddtowles at brookshires.com (Todd Towles)
Subject: lame bitching about xpsp2

 You are only getting nimda probes because the general public is stupid
as a whole and doesn't know anything about security. Most people that
have spyware installed on their computer doesn't even know it is there
or what it is..or how to replace it.

Is linux more suited for network security professionals? Sure, we have
full control of the operating system and the network layer. Microsft is
making a step to secure the everyday non-security user. Those users are
the ones that buy computers and let them be infected. I am happy to see
high-speed providers cutting out computer that are spamming or producing
malware activity also. I am happy they are trying.

Microsoft isn't perfect and neither is Linux (or UNIX). They all have
problems. Open-source and closed source. But to see a company that has
held the hand of the unsecured for so long, start to change - it is
nice. Blame Microsoft for their mistakes, but now the mistake of the
public.

Great shirt on www.jinx.com states "There is no patch for human
stupidity" 

So true.

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[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of devis
Sent: Friday, August 13, 2004 7:51 AM
To: Full-disclosure
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2

It seems hard to beleive how people are tolerant and easy to forgive M$
for doing such mistake along their product release. How do you a tag a
product 'professionnal' when it gets owned by 41 kb of malware code ? 
Not throwing the stone, but M$ has never been careful about security,
and often been blamed, rightfully, for the high numbers of clones /
owned machines are there, that disrupt the internet with malicious
traffic.

 But somehow, people seems to turn a blind eye to the past, and actually
pat Microsoft in the back for SP2. Short term memory ? Or is it really
your ego that gets upset if you had to remove these winbox ?
Using M$ systems, they always managed to boost your ego, being an
'administrator' and having 'all that  power' at the click of your mouse.

In all fairness,  "I am good with windows" means "I know where to
click", nothing more and shows how the typical M$ user is scared as hell
of having ever one day to learn Unix, go through RFCs ( what for ? M$
don't even read em themselves ), and use the command line. ( Not DOS, a
proper unix shell ). Why is that ? Well its similar at people who refuse
somit in block before having tried it, its just plain stupidity and
their ego gets hurts thinking they might have to start from zero.

Tough, but after MacOS, i am pretty sure even M$ will use Unix as a base
in future windows versions, maybe without never saying admitting it, as
they did so many times before. Longhorn boast "msh", the M$ shell. ( sh
geez thats original ).

The goal of M$ is to archieve total control of information, and they
already succeed, mainly due to fools that defend their business model,
not having a clue what the rest is, and worse turning a blind eye to it,
feeling safe in their 'clicking knowledge' comfort. M$ business model is
a threat to our freedom, and i would like our childrens to have a
choice, and not be formated the M$ way.

There is no patting, accolade nor felicitations to give to M$ for sp2. 
Its 6 years late, and has scared many consumer pc users, and has turned
the internet in a giant malware collection. And i should thank em for
sp2 ? No WAY. I am still getting nimda probes .....

Wake UP before its too LATE.
My 2 cents.

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