From: xenofex at iprimus.com.au (Matthew Simmiss)
Subject: lame bitching about xpsp2

Oh give me a break. You honestly think M$ is turning cheek and genuinely 
attempting to change?. I think not!

The only reason they do anything is if its financially viable for there 
shareholders and annual forcast outcome. It's simple addition that the 
battering they have taken over the last twelve months has forced there hand. 
It has been proved time and time again that if they aren't forced to change 
then they don't. And as far as i can see hell has yet to freeze over.

"Microsoft; only an annal retentive shareholder knows the feeling"

On Saturday 14 August 2004 02:50, Todd Towles wrote:
>  You are only getting nimda probes because the general public is stupid
> as a whole and doesn't know anything about security. Most people that
> have spyware installed on their computer doesn't even know it is there
> or what it is..or how to replace it.
>
> Is linux more suited for network security professionals? Sure, we have
> full control of the operating system and the network layer. Microsft is
> making a step to secure the everyday non-security user. Those users are
> the ones that buy computers and let them be infected. I am happy to see
> high-speed providers cutting out computer that are spamming or producing
> malware activity also. I am happy they are trying.
>
> Microsoft isn't perfect and neither is Linux (or UNIX). They all have
> problems. Open-source and closed source. But to see a company that has
> held the hand of the unsecured for so long, start to change - it is
> nice. Blame Microsoft for their mistakes, but now the mistake of the
> public.
>
> Great shirt on www.jinx.com states "There is no patch for human
> stupidity"
>
> So true.
>
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> Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] lame bitching about xpsp2
>
> It seems hard to beleive how people are tolerant and easy to forgive M$
> for doing such mistake along their product release. How do you a tag a
> product 'professionnal' when it gets owned by 41 kb of malware code ?
> Not throwing the stone, but M$ has never been careful about security,
> and often been blamed, rightfully, for the high numbers of clones /
> owned machines are there, that disrupt the internet with malicious
> traffic.
>
>  But somehow, people seems to turn a blind eye to the past, and actually
> pat Microsoft in the back for SP2. Short term memory ? Or is it really
> your ego that gets upset if you had to remove these winbox ?
> Using M$ systems, they always managed to boost your ego, being an
> 'administrator' and having 'all that  power' at the click of your mouse.
>
> In all fairness,  "I am good with windows" means "I know where to
> click", nothing more and shows how the typical M$ user is scared as hell
> of having ever one day to learn Unix, go through RFCs ( what for ? M$
> don't even read em themselves ), and use the command line. ( Not DOS, a
> proper unix shell ). Why is that ? Well its similar at people who refuse
> somit in block before having tried it, its just plain stupidity and
> their ego gets hurts thinking they might have to start from zero.
>
> Tough, but after MacOS, i am pretty sure even M$ will use Unix as a base
> in future windows versions, maybe without never saying admitting it, as
> they did so many times before. Longhorn boast "msh", the M$ shell. ( sh
> geez thats original ).
>
> The goal of M$ is to archieve total control of information, and they
> already succeed, mainly due to fools that defend their business model,
> not having a clue what the rest is, and worse turning a blind eye to it,
> feeling safe in their 'clicking knowledge' comfort. M$ business model is
> a threat to our freedom, and i would like our childrens to have a
> choice, and not be formated the M$ way.
>
> There is no patting, accolade nor felicitations to give to M$ for sp2.
> Its 6 years late, and has scared many consumer pc users, and has turned
> the internet in a giant malware collection. And i should thank em for
> sp2 ? No WAY. I am still getting nimda probes .....
>
> Wake UP before its too LATE.
> My 2 cents.
>
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