From: uberguidoz at gmail.com (GuidoZ)
Subject: ZIP Attachment

Excellent points Ron! Encouraging to see intellectual people on this
list. I was going to bring up the exact same things. Now on to good
'ole Nick...

> (we're all still waiting anxiously to see a single sentence worth reading actually come from your keyboard)

Since when do you speak for everyone else on this list? I've actually
received a handful of very positive emails from people I first started
communicating to through this list. Additionally, I've received just
as many "You should just ignore him, I do" or "It's not worth trying
to explain respect to him" comments about your "dribble" on this list
(among others). Though you may not realize it, we've talked before. In
fact, it seems you've changed very little since early 2000 when I
first saw your name on a security related mailing list. You didn't
used to refer to my emails as "rubbish", although I guess everyone has
a right to change their mind. Something I've always tried to remember:
You really never know who is behind an email address or nickname.

But I digress. Nick, this isn't the place for such a discussion. If
you'd like to continue to attack me (or anyone else for that matter),
please do it privately. As you said yourself, it's pointless, so why
continue it to the whole list? You have my email address. I'll reply
to you off-list from now on in regards to this "discussion",
regardless where you send your side.

I do agree that your original point (about not including the person's
email address in a reply) should be sent to the full list; instead of
sent privately. It's a valid argument and should be addressed to all
those who may need that knowledge. As you can see, however, others may
have a different view. From now on I'll be sure to not include your
personal email address when replying to the list. However, for
everyone else (until asked differently), I'll continue to do what was
requested of me quite some time ago - hit "Reply All" to ensure
delivery to the intended receipent. Take care all.

--
Peace. ~G


On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:45:01 -0500 (CDT), Ron DuFresne
<dufresne@...ternet.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Sep 2004, Nick FitzGerald wrote:
> 
> > GuidoZ wrote:
> >
> > <<blah, blah, blah>>
> >
> > Look idiot -- would you please stop CC'ing me these messages?
> >
> > If you are using such a shite MUA that your only option to
> > automatically get it to reply to the list address is to use some poxy
> > "reply all" function, please stop replying.  If that is the case and
> > you just _must_ reply (we're all still waiting anxiously to see a
> > single sentence worth reading actually come from your keyboard) then
> > please edit the address fields so that my direct address is NOT among
> > them.
> 
>                 [SNIP]
> 
> Some folks actually consider it a politness to be additionally addressed
> in replies to lists, for a number of reasons;
> 
>         1) the list may be moderated, and moderation can sometimes hinder
>         communications, the moderator may explude a fully relevant post...
> 
>         2) lists processing delays;  again, can inhibit and alter the
>         communication channel
> 
>         3) sometimes it's just damnright polite to hit the person<s>
>         directly, in advance of a posting going into a more public domain.
> 
>         4) you have a much better chance, all things above considered of
>         having the reply make it to the originator, who's benefit surely
>         is at least equal to the lists, at large, if not more so.
>         Alllowing *me* more control over the communication attempted.
> 
> This topic has struck here I think in the past, and various other lists, I
> wish to make it clear to all, feel free to always chose to include my
> address in the response, though I do not promise to always read them
> nor reply, your chances that I will are enhanced greatly by doing so, hell
> yer welcome to reply to me directly and cheat the list out of the whole
> affair, the same non-promise stated above applied... <smile>.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Ron DuFresne
> --
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> "Cutting the space budget really restores my faith in humanity.  It
> eliminates dreams, goals, and ideals and lets us get straight to the
> business of hate, debauchery, and self-annihilation." -- Johnny Hart
>         ***testing, only testing, and damn good at it too!***
> 
> OK, so you're a Ph.D.  Just don't touch anything.
> 
> 
> 
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-- 
Peace. ~G

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