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From: toddtowles at (Todd Towles)
Subject: Rootkit For Spyware? Hide your adware from  all    Adware removers and Anti-viruses

 Most people that work with Linux and UNIX in a corporate network
understand the risks involved when using root. There isn't a big push in
the Microsoft world for this however. Microsoft can't push the "don't
run as admin" rule because the majority of people running it wouldn't
understand the risks or wouldn't know how to do it in the first place
(home users mostly). Plus a lot of older apps need to run as admin to
function correctly.

Hence why root kits are so danger on WIN32 environments. CWS has used
rootkits in its spyware/adware, nothing new here really, but the more
people that get  exposed to these facts, the better.

-----Original Message-----
[] On Behalf Of Harlan
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 8:25 AM
Subject: RE: [Full-Disclosure] Rootkit For Spyware? Hide your adware
from all Adware removers and Anti-viruses

> Nothing new about rootkits. They aren't big news because they are old 
> news.
> Although depressing this is defiantly possible.

Old news, yes...but to some, not everyone.  Taking users (home,
corporate, academic, etc.) out of it, sysadmins and LEOs are still way
behind when it comes to understanding rootkits.  Certain privileges are
required for the installation of user-mode rootkits, and in the absence
of those privs, the rootkits have been shown to *not* install.  For some
level of detail about this, check out "Windows Forensics and Incident
Recovery" (

Full-Disclosure - We believe in it.

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