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From: toddtowles at brookshires.com (Todd Towles)
Subject: Rootkit For Spyware? Hide your adware from all    Adware removers and Anti-viruses

We all know it doesn't take a lot to hide from the normal everyday user
on the internet. I believe that is what they meant by "hide from
everything". Of course it isn't completely hidden. But normal users are
not sniffing packets from a computer on a isolated network to find
things.

We live in a different world than the normal person, that is what I tell
my non-computer friends anyways. 

-----Original Message-----
From: full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com
[mailto:full-disclosure-admin@...ts.netsys.com] On Behalf Of GuidoZ
Sent: Thursday, September 23, 2004 11:54 AM
To: Matt
Cc: Will Image; full-disclosure@...ts.netsys.com
Subject: Re: [Full-Disclosure] Rootkit For Spyware? Hide your adware
from all Adware removers and Anti-viruses

> It is quite possible to hide processes, reg keys and files, and is 
> often done by various malware.

Aye. I didn't word my statements correctly. (Was tired... =P ) You are
very much correct.

I guess I was trying to speak along the lines of AV detection and
forensics. I've yet to find a rootkit, spyware, or malware that is
COMPLETLY hidden, in every aspect, from the user. There is always a way
to find it. Granted, they can bypass the "usual means" (regedit,
taskmanager, etc) in Windows, however there are specialized tools
(process viewers for example) that show hidden processes. What I meant
to express is they seem to claim being able to hide from everything.
(Even if an AV solution detected the very program they use as an
installer.) That, I doubt.


To save someone else from saying this, I'll reply to my own comment. =)

> I've yet to find a rootkit, spyware, or malware that is COMPLETLY 
> hidden, in every aspect, from the user.

Well, DUH. How could you find it if it was COMPLETELY hidden? ;)
Clarification: The user and a sysadmin that has a clue are two very
different people.)

--
Peace. ~G


On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 14:38:34 +1000, Matt <matt@...temlinux.net> wrote:
> GuidoZ wrote:
> > Interesting indeed. Although, I imagine this was a spam email, and I

> > never believe (nor buy) anything from spam. I wondr how credible 
> > this really is. If there was such a way to do what they claim, don't

> > you think it would have been big news?  >One would think you 
> > wouldn't first hear about it through spam.
> > 
> It is quite possible to hide processes, reg keys and files, and is 
> often done by various malware.
> 
> > Also - nice website they have. http://www.randexsoft.com Simply
says:
> >
> > Access Forbidden -- Go away.
> >
> > I love a company who is customer friendly.
> >
> > --
> > Peace. ~G
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 22 Sep 2004 20:10:28 -0700 (PDT), Will Image 
> > <xillwillx@...oo.com> wrote:
> >
> >>I recieved this in my inbox today:
> >>how long do you think this company will last?
> >>
> >>
> >>>Date: Wed, 22 Sep 2004 19:02:44 -0400
> >>>From: Jacques Tremblay <jacques.tremblay@...il.com>
> >>>To: xillwillx@...oo.com
> >>>Subject: Hide your adware from all Adware removers and Anti-viruses
> >>>
> >>>To: Business development manager
> >>>
> >>>Subject: Hide your adware from all Adware removers and  
> >>>Anti-viruses
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Hi,
> >>>       Adware removers are gaining in popularity and they cause a 
> >>>big revenue threat to adware based businesses, as we see our 
> >>>software installations get desinstalled after a period of time that

> >>>is shorter and shorter, we see our revenues get smaller and 
> >>>smaller.
> >>>
> >>>       Why would an honest adware based business lose revenue just 
> >>>because some adware remover has identifyed it as being something to

> >>>remove ?
> >>>
> >>>       We beleive we have the right to hide from these adware 
> >>>removers as long as we provide a way for the user to uninstall and 
> >>>that he agrees that the software will be uninstalled only with the 
> >>>provided uninstaller.
> >>>
> >>>       It is in that spirit that we created the solution to the 
> >>>problem :
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>AdProtector 1.2
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>       We have developed software capable of hiding your software 
> >>>from all adware removers and anti-viruses on a Windows 
> >>>NT/2000/2003/XP machine.
> >>>
> >>>       Basically we have filtered the windows kernel so that we 
> >>>could mofify the behavior of the system itself. So now we can hide 
> >>>anything we want from windows.
> >>>
> >>>                           It can :   - Hide Registry Keys
> >>>                                      - Hide Files
> >>>                                              - Hide Processes
> >>>
> >>>       By hiding these 3 key elements from windows, your 
> >>>application won't ever be detected by any adware removers.
> >>>
> >>>       Interesting ?
> >>>
> >>>       For more information or to resquest a Demo :
> >>>  email :
> >>>hexa@...dexsoft.com
> >>>
> >>>Business is moving fast, keep ahead of the competition!
> >
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
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> >
> 



-- 
Peace. ~G

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